Anyone taken or take Citalopram?

[jazzamataz]

As a former support practitioner and someone who had to administer this...
FUCK CITALOPRAM.


- also, don't smoke weed when you're on this. It will contribute tremendously to
your downers.

[GV1]

As a former support practitioner and someone who had to administer this...
FUCK CITALOPRAM.


- also, don't smoke weed when you're on this. It will contribute tremendously to
your downers.

Why do you say that mate? I went to my appointment today and the mental health GP said she's looking to up to dose to 30mg/40mg over time and there is a chance I'll be on this for a while. What are the problems they cause with doses this high?

[jazzamataz]

Because unless you have a real chemical imbalance in your body
(backed up by results from blood tests that should be carried out)
the idea of sticking you on citalopram is to basically drug you up and
zone you out.

If you're taking it for a psychological issue, it's not helping the issue,
it's masking the problem. I looked after 3 kids who were on it last year.

One of them was on Citalopram and Melatonin to help him out, but he was
suffering from ASD and sleeping issues caused by ADHD. He had actual
chemical imbalance and it worked for him.

The others benefitted from person-centred counselling and CBT more than
the drugs.

CAMHs have a history of just sticking you on drugs because they are
unfortunatley GROSSLY under-staffed and can't afford to really be putting
you through counselling sessions - which is what they should be doing.

Upping the dosage is dangerous. VERY dangerous. You'll get to the point where
you won't be able to come off it and you'll be stuck taking this pill for a long
long time. I would suggest you go back to your GP/Mental services provider
and ask them for theraputic based remedies to your problems.

You will not solve them by swallowing a pill every night, but by actually confronting
and working through your problems. You are more resilient than you think you are
and what seems like a quick fix in pill form now will fuck you in the future.


As I said - if you need it for Biological reasons, take it. if the issue is Psychological,
don't. Go and demand some counselling instead.

[butter_man]

i was on 20 mil for 3 weeks did nuthin but make me yawn, still glum. doc upped it to 40 mil took for a few weeks did nuthin but make me more yawney, still glum. upped my dose to 60 still nothin but yawney same at 80 for 3 weeks (self diagnosed, foolish, yes.) started not feeling like myself. noticed I wasnt myself round my friends, didnt like who I was becoming on them so quit cold turkey 3-4 days ago. seen an old friend yesterday had a beer that turned into a bottle of vodka (we're both inward depressives, we dont go on about it or appear it on the surface but live vicariously) the night got crazier and we both ended up punching each other in the face and laughing, each taking a turn in wacking the other but remaining civil. my nose is broken and he has a black eye and blood in his ear. he left soon after.

more happened after that but I am far too ashamed to say what. I now feel a way Id never wish on anyone. im too emotionally numb to cry and waiting on my friend to fnish work so I can get sumfin to make me forget.

my friend just turned up, Im finishing writing this as were trynna piece together the lumps and bruises.

I apologise for being a sad act and dont know why Im writing to a load of ppl Ive never met, it is what it is.

[GV1]

Because unless you have a real chemical imbalance in your body
(backed up by results from blood tests that should be carried out)
the idea of sticking you on citalopram is to basically drug you up and
zone you out.

If you're taking it for a psychological issue, it's not helping the issue,
it's masking the problem. I looked after 3 kids who were on it last year.

One of them was on Citalopram and Melatonin to help him out, but he was
suffering from ASD and sleeping issues caused by ADHD. He had actual
chemical imbalance and it worked for him.

The others benefitted from person-centred counselling and CBT more than
the drugs.

CAMHs have a history of just sticking you on drugs because they are
unfortunatley GROSSLY under-staffed and can't afford to really be putting
you through counselling sessions - which is what they should be doing.

Upping the dosage is dangerous. VERY dangerous. You'll get to the point where
you won't be able to come off it and you'll be stuck taking this pill for a long
long time. I would suggest you go back to your GP/Mental services provider
and ask them for theraputic based remedies to your problems.

You will not solve them by swallowing a pill every night, but by actually confronting
and working through your problems. You are more resilient than you think you are
and what seems like a quick fix in pill form now will fuck you in the future.


As I said - if you need it for Biological reasons, take it. if the issue is Psychological,
don't. Go and demand some counselling instead.

I see. I'll do some research into the above. You seem to know your stuff.

I have been put on CBT, but I don't think it's going to do much as I've done it in the past. No blood tests, but she mention a chemical imbalance is evident (not sure if that's something she was saying to get me to take the drug). I'd actually much preferrer talking to a psychiatrist than CBT as they are more focused on tailoring to your needs as apposed to following from a method (CBT) that's not suitable for every.

I find CBT requires the user to understand they are thinking irrationally, but an irrationally mind does not know the difference between irrational thinking and normal thinking. That's always been my issue with CBT and it's never worked for me in the past. Yeah I got some useful stuff from it, but it didn't solve the issue.

[GV1]

i was on 20 mil for 3 weeks did nuthin but make me yawn, still glum. doc upped it to 40 mil took for a few weeks did nuthin but make me more yawney, still glum. upped my dose to 60 still nothin but yawney same at 80 for 3 weeks (self diagnosed, foolish, yes.) started not feeling like myself. noticed I wasnt myself round my friends, didnt like who I was becoming on them so quit cold turkey 3-4 days ago. seen an old friend yesterday had a beer that turned into a bottle of vodka (we're both inward depressives, we dont go on about it or appear it on the surface but live vicariously) the night got crazier and we both ended up punching each other in the face and laughing, each taking a turn in wacking the other but remaining civil. my nose is broken and he has a black eye and blood in his ear. he left soon after.

more happened after that but I am far too ashamed to say what. I now feel a way Id never wish on anyone. im too emotionally numb to cry and waiting on my friend to fnish work so I can get sumfin to make me forget.

my friend just turned up, Im finishing writing this as were trynna piece together the lumps and bruises.

I apologise for being a sad act and dont know why Im writing to a load of ppl Ive never met, it is what it is.

It's cool mate. Feel free to open up because although you're amongst a community of producers and Dubstep lovers we're all human and we're all susceptible to illness.

I was the same with beer. The only reason I am not drinking now is because of the meds, I don't want to worsen any side effects by adding alcohol. Plus I get seriously suicidal when I drink and I'm in a depressed state. Although, your punch up with your friend sounds crazy. Excessive amounts of vodka is nasty. I remember trying to brick a bouncer who literally threw me out of the club. My mate knocked me out clean for a good 20 minutes to save me from getting arrested/battered. That was down to a liter of vodka.

Emotionally numb is the same with me. I can't even cry when close family die. I can't show love, I have to pretend. It's mad.

When you say self diagnosed what do you mean? Did the doctor give you the medication and diagnose you?

[jazzamataz]

Yeah, CBT requires a shift in perspective, which is hard for a lot of people.
It requires real thinking, and (not that this is your fault) but many people just
can't think for themselves. It's a real task.

I always find the best way of explaining it as this:

Think of your issue as a 3D cube in front of your face.
Now, the way you view this problem is head on... you only see one face,
because you're so close to it.

If you can, imagine taking a step backwards from the cube (the problem)
and trying to see that there are more than one side to a cube.

Now, what you can do is start to identify other issues that may be adding to
the cube... it's not just one sided, its 6-sided (you could use a pyramid
for a 4 sided problem for example.)

Attach a label to each side.

Now, depending on where you stand, you can rotate your view of the cube.

This is essentially a change in perspective - you've begun to identify problems and
issues and depending where you are, you can change your perspective on these
issues...




EDIT: How can your MHP give you that diagnosis with no empirical evidence?
(ie. she's not given you a blood test to find out.)
Hmmm...

[NiGHTS_24]

CBT can be great never worked for me sadly tried many times.

the numb feelings people talk about it is the worse and is very hard to deal with. For me exercise was a great help took the stress away and gave me a feeling like a good pain if that makes some sense.

On the plus side mental health is being talked about more and the ways of getting help are better.

[joehaynes1990]

I had these for a few months...worst side-effect was anorgasmia!

so frustrating. switched to mirtazapine now which is just as shite

[butter_man]

i was on 20 mil for 3 weeks did nuthin but make me yawn, still glum. doc upped it to 40 mil took for a few weeks did nuthin but make me more yawney, still glum. upped my dose to 60 still nothin but yawney same at 80 for 3 weeks (self diagnosed, foolish, yes.) started not feeling like myself. noticed I wasnt myself round my friends, didnt like who I was becoming on them so quit cold turkey 3-4 days ago. seen an old friend yesterday had a beer that turned into a bottle of vodka (we're both inward depressives, we dont go on about it or appear it on the surface but live vicariously) the night got crazier and we both ended up punching each other in the face and laughing, each taking a turn in wacking the other but remaining civil. my nose is broken and he has a black eye and blood in his ear. he left soon after.

more happened after that but I am far too ashamed to say what. I now feel a way Id never wish on anyone. im too emotionally numb to cry and waiting on my friend to fnish work so I can get sumfin to make me forget.

my friend just turned up, Im finishing writing this as were trynna piece together the lumps and bruises.

I apologise for being a sad act and dont know why Im writing to a load of ppl Ive never met, it is what it is.

It's cool mate. Feel free to open up because although you're amongst a community of producers and Dubstep lovers we're all human and we're all susceptible to illness.

I was the same with beer. The only reason I am not drinking now is because of the meds, I don't want to worsen any side effects by adding alcohol. Plus I get seriously suicidal when I drink and I'm in a depressed state. Although, your punch up with your friend sounds crazy. Excessive amounts of vodka is nasty. I remember trying to brick a bouncer who literally threw me out of the club. My mate knocked me out clean for a good 20 minutes to save me from getting arrested/battered. That was down to a liter of vodka.

Emotionally numb is the same with me. I can't even cry when close family die. I can't show love, I have to pretend. It's mad.

When you say self diagnosed what do you mean? Did the doctor give you the medication and diagnose you?

the doc prescribed the 20's then 40's I upped them to 60 and 80 after a few weeks of them not working at those levels. 80 was weird tho, felt like a watered down me.

true about alcohol too, i havent been in a fight ive started sober since high school.

[butter_man]

@GV1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... xPyN6IK1tM about 2.43 and 4.15, I hope the relevance can raise a smile. stay strong mate!

[apmje]

I was on Citalopram for about a year and it was ok. Didn't feel like it affected me much or I didn't notice. One thing I noticed was I could never climax...sex was cool but just couldn't finish haha, kept going forever.

I went cold turkey from it and it was horrible. Light headed, nausea...felt like my brain was pulsating and waves were crashing over me for weeks. Finally got sorted but went through a bad patch last year and I'm on Fluxotine to help with depression and panic attacks and it's been great so far. Maybe look into that?

As for CBT, I was trying that around August/September of last year and found it really disappointing. But I think I had a bad practice as they were really poor with helping me.

EDIT: Noticed someone mentioned anorgasmia, I goggled this and found it was exactly what I said in my second sentance. Sucks don't it?

[kingldub]

One thing I noticed was I could never climax...sex was cool but just couldn't finish haha, kept going forever.

This.

[GV1]

@GV1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... xPyN6IK1tM about 2.43 and 4.15, I hope the relevance can raise a smile. stay strong mate!

Mate, that was worse than Salad Fingers! I guess you meant either the suicide part or the doctor part. Man, what a twisted cartoon.

I want them pills!!

Out of interest if I wanted to watch stuff similar to this what category/genre does it fall under?

[butter_man]

not sure about the genre, I think it was made by one of the south park animators so you could search more of his work, I just label it as 'random'.

I thought I was onto a winner with my latest doc. he was about my age, a nice chap I remembered and when we were chatting he was positive about getting me help and counselling and during our first appointment I remember seeing something in his eyes like he'd stumbled onto a winner maybe a new type of mental illness he was going to write a case study on. left feeling confident he was a good guy but couldnt shake that look of 'Im onto a winner'. next appointment there was a trainee doctor waiting outside his office as we entered and all chummy like he asked me if i'd allow a student to view our session, I said no his face dropped and no longer did I have my nice understanding doctor just sum guy who wanted to give me a perscription saying 'go fuck yourself'.

edit\ david o reilly is the guy, his account has got a fair few vids hopefully of a similar ilk.

[Astral]

I used to be on a combination of Citalopram and Zopiclone, in all fairness, it did it's job, I feel less anxious and the days feel brighter. I do however not miss being on them, the Zopiclone in particular had the worst side effect, everything tastes like you're chewing on rusty steel after a while.

Currently on Amitriptyline and Propranolol for sleeping disturbances as a result of chronic migraines, and they work perfectly, Asleep by 12 and up at 7 in the weekdays, no migraines at all all week. I lay off them on the weekend however to enjoy a few more twilight hours.

[GV1]

OMFG! Something horrible just happened to me, I had to call an ambulance.

I was sitting in bed on Lemur iPad and Logic and I felt like I needed to fart. I passed through. We've had a bug in the house and I think I've just caught it. Went toilet. Came back and sat in bed. My heartrate started to skip, I could feel it. Fluttering in my chest. I felt like I needed toilet again so I went. Sat on the toilet, took my pulse and it was VERY slow. Slower than 50bpm easily. I felt a pause in my heartbeat, I shot up and woke the gf.

I was saying "call and ambulance my heart isn't right". My face was pale, I was going dizzy, it felt like I was breathing cold air, I was having a panic attack at the same time as having a slow heart rate.

I calmed down, and my hr returned to normal before the ambulance came. Ambulance got here done all the tests ECG etc. and it was all clear. Nothing heart related. They told me not to bother going to A&E because I'll be waiting around and they will end up sending me home with nothing they can do.

So here I am. I feel normal now, just shook. The ambulance believe it was a side affect of the medication and the fact I was sitting on the toilet when it happened, she said when sitting on the toilet it aggravates the vagus nerve which slows your heartrate. Mine just went so low I thought I was going to die.

[NW_DUBAHOLIC]

I take 20mg of Citalopram everyday for severe general anxiety that I get for absolutely no reason. I've been taking them for over a year and have never had any noticeable side effects. It's helped me immensely. I wouldn't listen to people who tell you not to take them and have little to no experience with them. Different people have different experiences with everything but I just thought I'd let you know that as a person with strong general anxiety, Citalopram has improved my quality of life greatly.

As a former support practitioner and someone who had to administer this...
FUCK CITALOPRAM.

There can be negative effects but as I said earlier it's greatly improved my quality of life.

also, don't smoke weed when you're on this. It will contribute tremendously to
your downers.

I also smoke about a 1-2 grams of weed everyday for migraines and this isn't a issue for me. I'm not saying it's not true for some people but I haven't been effected in this way.

[apmje]

OMFG! Something horrible just happened to me, I had to call an ambulance.

I was sitting in bed on Lemur iPad and Logic and I felt like I needed to fart. I passed through. We've had a bug in the house and I think I've just caught it. Went toilet. Came back and sat in bed. My heartrate started to skip, I could feel it. Fluttering in my chest. I felt like I needed toilet again so I went. Sat on the toilet, took my pulse and it was VERY slow. Slower than 50bpm easily. I felt a pause in my heartbeat, I shot up and woke the gf.

I was saying "call and ambulance my heart isn't right". My face was pale, I was going dizzy, it felt like I was breathing cold air, I was having a panic attack at the same time as having a slow heart rate.

I calmed down, and my hr returned to normal before the ambulance came. Ambulance got here done all the tests ECG etc. and it was all clear. Nothing heart related. They told me not to bother going to A&E because I'll be waiting around and they will end up sending me home with nothing they can do.

So here I am. I feel normal now, just shook. The ambulance believe it was a side affect of the medication and the fact I was sitting on the toilet when it happened, she said when sitting on the toilet it aggravates the vagus nerve which slows your heartrate. Mine just went so low I thought I was going to die.

That's just a panic attack mate.

[apmje]

I used to be on a combination of Citalopram and Zopiclone, in all fairness, it did it's job, I feel less anxious and the days feel brighter. I do however not miss being on them, the Zopiclone in particular had the worst side effect, everything tastes like you're chewing on rusty steel after a while.

Currently on Amitriptyline and Propranolol for sleeping disturbances as a result of chronic migraines, and they work perfectly, Asleep by 12 and up at 7 in the weekdays, no migraines at all all week. I lay off them on the weekend however to enjoy a few more twilight hours.

I'm also on Amitriptyline as well as the Fluxotine I mentioned before, do you find that waking up is really hard? Like I just feel like shit for the first few hours.