Psychedelics as healing agents

[SunkLo]

Whoah 5-9 Gs? You talking about dried cubies? Cause if you take 5+ grams of mush your first time I guarantee you will be wiggin out spooky style. Over 5 grams dried is considered a heroic dose in all the dosing guides i've read. I'd recommend 2.5-3.5 your first trip. The contents of your stomach will affect the potency so keep that in mind. Also if you have a weak stomach, I'd recommend crushing up your zoomers and making tea out of them. Just boil some water, put the crushed mushies into some cheesecloth or a teabag. Let the water cool for a minute after it's boiled. Excess heat can damage Psylocin. Add some ginger to settle your stomach and another teabag for some flavour. Make two cups from your shroom teabag and you'll be good to go.

It's good to trip with someone who has some experience and whom you trust. Usually a relaxed setting is best. Set up some music, have some blankets on hand, throw a planet earth disc in the dvd player. Having a bottle of water and some weed helps too. It's nice to smoke about a half hour after you drink your tea or eat your shrooms, to ramp up to the high. Practicing some meditation in preparation will help as well.

Key rules to psychedelics:
Go with the flow, don't try to control it or fight it or over-analyze it. You can get caught up in trying to reason your way through things. You need to be able to let go and simply observe passively.

If you're stressing or caught in a thought loop you need to change your scenery. Going to another room or even another seat can break a cycle and start new thought processes. It's important to keep the mind occupied and not simply dwell on the state of intoxication. Don't focus too much on the distorted filters, but on the information that is passing through them. In other words don't focus too much on the internal. Pay an equal amount of attention to the external and your mind will find balance.

Sometimes it's good to write down your thoughts as you can get lost and forget things in the hurricane inside your mind. If you're in a state of confusion, writing notes to yourself or things that you remember will help keep you on track and reduce some of the stress of being mentally lost.

Listen to Flying Lotus.

[pikeymobile]

Don't make tea, heat destroys the shit out of psilocybin. You'll probably break down a good 40-75% of the psilocybin whilst making tea. I find tea also makes me feel much more sick after drinking it, but it does kick in incredibly fast that way. You feel tingles within minutes.
I tend to just dry them up and dice them up as fine as I can, or if I'm doing them fresh I'll blend them up with some honey and marmalade (doesn't make it taste any less awful however) and do it that way. It's much easier to control the dose if they're dry though, and pre-dicing is essential as your body has trouble breaking them down, so unless you're willing to chew them for ages you potentially miss out on a lot of psilocybin. I've had a mate swallow 2g of whole dry liberty caps and had nothing more than some mild visuals and a small buzz, whereas if 2g were diced or chewed it'd be normally quite a lovely med/high trip

[SunkLo]

That's why I said let the water cool down for a couple of minutes after it boils. Once it's cool enough to drink it's alright to pour over your shrooms.
Either way, I agree about breaking it up, stomach sucks at digesting them and usually ends up with nausea. That's why I drink tea in the first place, most sick I've felt were times I just chewed and swallowed.

[d-T-r]

if you soak them in lemon juice or any type of citric acid, and leave them to soak for about 20-30 mins before you eat them, the juice will have already started breaking down the shrooms meaning less work for your stomach acid. Add some ginger to the mix to help reduce any other nausea and you're good to go. the lemon thing makes then onset quicker though so it's all down to preference. i don't even taste them when i do it in this method as all you're tasting is a small lemon and orange juice glass with large 'bits' in it.

Don't rush with your dosages either--potency always always varies in anything natural even if the average recommended dose says its this or that amount. the amount of food you have in your stomach will also determine how strong the journey will be.

You're in no rush. It's like swimming. For some people learning to swim can be safer in the shallow end and then as you figure out your buoyancy, you swim further out.

Verbally setting your intentions can be a useful practice too. Knowing why you're doing them and what you want out of them makes all the difference.

the more mind you put into the experience, the more mind you will take out.

It's 2012 and if that's not a suggestive excuse for people to be tripping more balls than they ever have before, i don't know what is

[SunkLo]

Yeah I've heard of the lemon tek but have never tried it. Heard good things online though.

OP, educate yourself as much as possible, and take things slow. Read the Psychedelic Experience based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

[pikeymobile]

Yeah I've got a friend who swears by the lemon juice ting but I've personally never tried it, i'll probably have a crack in autumn when they're back growing, this years season was beyond awful, hardly any grew at all. It just went from incredibly dry in september/october to endless rain in mid october all the way til december, it was a disaster.
Also I think most people downplay just how intense a high dose mushroom trip is, it's one of the least forgiving drugs I've ever taken, particularly during the comeup. It's often very hard to get out of that mind looping/i've poisoned myself feeling when taking high/very high/heroic doses. Once you get over that initial hour though it's possibly the most forgiving drug I've taken, but it varies from person to person. Personally I get incredibly intense comeups on very high doses, but the rest is beyond amazing with zero dysphoria. Most of my friends get the opposite, with very easy and giggly comeups but then around 3 hours in they all hit that super depressed/introvertive stage. I tend to get introvertive during the first hour then the rest is gravy, I'm not sure if there's psycholigical or biological reasons for this but it's very strange.

[Electric_Head]

Whoah 5-9 Gs? You talking about dried cubies? Cause if you take 5+ grams of mush your first time I guarantee you will be wiggin out spooky style. Over 5 grams dried is considered a heroic dose in all the dosing guides i've read. I'd recommend 2.5-3.5 your first trip.

for each his own
I started with a 10g dose waaay back when
awesome experience

I`d say either go for it and enjoy the experience or nibble a large amount over a few hours.
Equally as entertaining but without the heavy onset.

I personally prefer to either eat them fresh or dried like crackers
easy to eat and quick to act
a bong after a minute or 2 to kick things in and we're a-for-away
the only issue I have with large doses is the occasional bout of the leg shakes, uncontrollable
but I just get up and move around

OJ and mushrooms also helps, any with with a citrus really

[teamhobson]

My friends and I took LSD for the first time a few months ago and the overall feeling about it afterwards was varied. We took it crystallized (i think) in a half shot of vodka that was prepared by a very trusted friend who has had a lot of experience with the stuff. I don't think any of us got the amazing visuals that we we're told might happen. However we did experience a lot of amazing colours and some extremely deep thoughts.

Toward the end of the 5-6 hour trip it was quite hard work for me, i had to keep reminding myself that it was just another drug i was trying and that i wouldn't be like this forever I did have an excellent time though, other than the short time i was thinking "fuck, what have i done, this is mental" toward the end. But i feel like i came out of it a better person. Definitely a lot more patient and easy going.

But yeah, people are right, you have to keep a positive attitude the whole way through and remember you will come out of it perfectly fine. I definitely want to try it or something similar again, half knowing what to expect this time round.

We smoked a lot of weed before and during. Is that why we might not have had as many visuals other than intense colours? Because we are so used to weed i kind of feel like it might have balanced it out a bit or is that just down to dosage?

You guys would obviously recommend mushrooms from what ive read, how do they differ with LSD?

Sorry to hijack the thread with all these questions and shit haha.

[Electric_Head]

LSD has many different forms
as does Mushrooms

each one with it`s own effects

I`ve had dimension altering experiences on LSD and Mushrooms.
Amazing visuals on both.
But at the same time, many mushrooms are very bright and are more intense from a color and light standpoint
but other make you see visuals
you learn to know which ones you prefer and stick with them.

LSD is no different.
I took Fairies ones that gave me amazing auditory hallucinations, nothing visual.
so it`s really based on the type

and I don`t think weed would ever be anything but a positive factor in any experience

[teamhobson]

and I don`t think weed would ever be anything but a positive factor in any experience

Good news, Cheers man.

[Kochari]

Personally mushrooms are not the one for me. I had one extremely bad experience (although in fairness I took them in the worst of worst situations, I wasn't really surprised) and since then haven't touched them. Although I think I may be ready now I'm still a bit wary.
LSD on the other hand, I think would be impossible to have a bad experience on. Everything is love.

(Note: You might not have such a wonderful experience with acid as I did, I think something in me was just made to sit in the woods and trip)

As to the weed thing, hell yes, a beautiful big spliff is just perfect during a trip (and after!) but be warned, it will take you hours to roll. Still, some of the most fun times of my life have been attempting to roll joints with my friends while tripping, it really is a bonding experience.

[Electric_Head]

but be warned, it will take you hours to roll. Still, some of the most fun times of my life have been attempting to roll joints with my friends while tripping, it really is a bonding experience.

I think that`s where I learned to roll the way I can now.
Any state I`ll have one rolled and smoking in minutes.
And it`ll look prrrrrfect.

hours of fumbling around with acid hands giggling at the world

[SunkLo]

Hahah on my god trying to roll hoots while tripping! It's like your hands are frozen and asleep.
Usually weed is great for psychedelics especially if you smoke regularly and it comforts you.

[teamhobson]

As to the weed thing, hell yes, a beautiful big spliff is just perfect during a trip (and after!) but be warned, it will take you hours to roll. Still, some of the most fun times of my life have been attempting to roll joints with my friends while tripping, it really is a bonding experience.

Aw yeah man, i know exactly what you mean...

The amount of times i just emptied the contents of the joint on the coffee table cause i was laughing and shaking too hard

[SunkLo]

The clammy hands is bad too. Trying to do a tuck with all the pieces of weed sticking to your fingers.
What we're trying to say here is, invest in a bowl

[pikeymobile]

Nah i've never enjoyed pipes, bongs or anything where you just take a big hit of weed at once, a bifta is always the one. I always pre-roll before I take any drug I know will affect my rolling abilities (which is pretty much all of them). I mean, I can't even roll stoned because I get so incredibly stitchy, I have to spend fucking ages rolling before a session, it's a nightmare, but it's also nice to just pull out a bif and start blazing.

[Kochari]

Pre rolling is the devil's work I tells ya
It's all about putting a bit of the situation into your joint (not literally)

[SunkLo]

Hah when you're all fucked up smoking a mangled zoot sitting on some crooked steps.

[Kochari]

Well now all I want to do is take some psychedelics with good friends and ride my bike around the countryside.

Damn you winter. Damn you.

[wilson]

Edit: Shut up man.