Dubstep, Grime and 'Nu-rave'.

[Littlefoot]

oh and on Nu Rave as a musical style

it doesn't even exist yet, its literally 4 or 5 mainstream "indie" bands with this new style of (horrible) clothes.

It's a fashion movement for wankers and it's finding it's musical sound now, Klaxons dont sound like Hadouken who dont sound like Shit Disco for example, but they are all using that tag, or its being used on them.


anyway, who feels old now the 90s is officially retro.

[thomas e. griffin]

it's not my/your/our music - noone's got any more say in it than anyone else, that would be silly.


there's already more than enough numpties with half a clue talking air about dubstep music on this forum for me to get wound up about a few haircuts listening to Request Line.

That seems a little bit self-contradictary man.

By claiming that your knowledge of dubstep gives you more right to express your opinions (or at least gives them more weight) on an open forum like this seems to suggest you're claiming at least some kind of claim to ownership (for want of a better word) of the music. I don't even disagree with this.

But I do reckon the 'my music/your music' differentiatin exists pretty undeniably. To take an extreme example it could be argued that tibetan buddhist chant belongs to buddist monks or gamelan orechestra music belongs to the people of indonesia.
I realise that popular music and technology have kind of complicated all this. Like skin-heads claiming a stake in the ownership of reggae or white rock musicians investing in blues.

Dubstep, being a reltively recent development, has grown quickly into a global sound, but it still makes people like me and you, who've invested time and money and effort into a music, feel slightly protective over it.

I wasn't saying that the music was definitely mine or ours, I was just saying that it was a weird thing that's interesting to discuss.

[thomas e. griffin]

just my two pence based on experience here:

I grew up musically in the hardcore punk scene, of which a big part is Emo (yes actual Emo Hardcore not mtv pop stuff) and I got into it while the Emo term was being used in the completely wrong way describing a completely seperate style of music. There was a good few years where it was a struggle to keep your temper at people jumping all over your culture coming from a completely separate direction trying to claim their "emo" was the real deal.. although that generation of fuckwits has now moved over the Nu Rave thing.. the moral is that we stuck it out, kept our temper, and allowed the kids from that side of things who genuinly were interested in the real deal to enter our scene with open arms..

The crossover between Dubstep and absolute shite fashion movements like Nu Rave? it's very possible, the important thing is to not become some jaded bastard moaning about whats "happened" to dubstep and just continue keeping it underground and at the same time not going on the offense towards other people.. trust me it's hard but it's the only way forward in retrospect..

word man. It's the jaded bastard moaning thing that's so hard to avoid when trying to protect the music that you like. I don't appear to be doing too well.

[rekordah]

just my two pence based on experience here:

I grew up musically in the hardcore punk scene, of which a big part is Emo (yes actual Emo Hardcore not mtv pop stuff) and I got into it while the Emo term was being used in the completely wrong way describing a completely seperate style of music. There was a good few years where it was a struggle to keep your temper at people jumping all over your culture coming from a completely separate direction trying to claim their "emo" was the real deal.. although that generation of fuckwits has now moved over the Nu Rave thing.. the moral is that we stuck it out, kept our temper, and allowed the kids from that side of things who genuinly were interested in the real deal to enter our scene with open arms..

The crossover between Dubstep and absolute shite fashion movements like Nu Rave? it's very possible, the important thing is to not become some jaded bastard moaning about whats "happened" to dubstep and just continue keeping it underground and at the same time not going on the offense towards other people.. trust me it's hard but it's the only way forward in retrospect..

although this said, I would still batter that Hadouken band, including the girl.

[misk]

seriously, why are we even having this conversation? Let them be, let them do what they want. theres enough room in this world for everybody.

[thomas e. griffin]

Who says they don't actually enjoy the music though?

Thinking "it's just a fashion thing" is bollocks. People really should grow the fuck up and stop being quite so precious.

They seem to be having fun with it, far better that than some techstepper doing his teenage angst wank off at a slower speed I reckon.

It's not yours to control and it never was.

Have you been to one of these nights man. It's like a scene out of Nathan Barley. EVeryone's just taking pictures of themselves pouting for their myspace and trying hard to make it look like they're not trying hard.

I just don't want NME going to a dance and claiming that, 'this is dubstep'. You know how the media does. 'Nu-Rave' (a term I do not particularly like, hence the inverted commas) is a prime example of detrimental media hype.

[rekordah]

seriously, why are we even having this conversation? Let them be, let them do what they want. theres enough room in this world for everybody.

But is there?!

[rekordah]

Have you been to one of these nights man. It's like a scene out of Nathan Barley. EVeryone's just taking pictures of themselves pouting for their myspace and trying hard to make it look like they're not trying hard.

i can understand ppl in london giving up the fight, the place is full of posers, but in the rest of the country we still have a reason to fight!

[thomas e. griffin]

seriously, why are we even having this conversation? Let them be, let them do what they want. theres enough room in this world for everybody.

we're having it because, as you've seen, people have different opinions on it and that's what good conversations are made of.

[rekordah]

seriously, why are we even having this conversation? Let them be, let them do what they want. theres enough room in this world for everybody.

we're having it because, as you've seen, people have different opinions on it and that's what good conversations are made of.

yeh! fuck off peacemaker!

[T_macabre]

Jamie from Hadouken...

..was shockin out @ fwd before half of you knew what a subwoofer was.

know this
large up Venom

[Littlefoot]

Jamie from Hadouken...

..was shockin out @ fwd before half of you knew what a subwoofer was.

know this
large up Venom

irrelevant

thats like saying Ozzy Osbournes song with his daughter is allowable because of Iron Man!

[Littlefoot]

seriously, why are we even having this conversation? Let them be, let them do what they want. theres enough room in this world for everybody.

oh ok,
Dubway, you better close down the forum mate!

[T_macabre]

Jamie from Hadouken...

..was shockin out @ fwd before half of you knew what a subwoofer was.

know this
large up Venom

irrelevant

thats like saying Ozzy Osbournes song with his daughter is allowable because of Iron Man!

its sayin he's more aware of the sound than alot of people give him credit for...aware of the roots, etc. i'm not codoning the current music he's coming out with..

lol @ Kelly Osbourne songs, terrible!!

[Littlefoot]

Jamie from Hadouken...

..was shockin out @ fwd before half of you knew what a subwoofer was.

know this
large up Venom

irrelevant

thats like saying Ozzy Osbournes song with his daughter is allowable because of Iron Man!

its sayin he's more aware of the sound than alot of people give him credit for...aware of the roots, etc. i'm not codoning the current music he's coming out with..

lol @ Kelly Osbourne songs, terrible!!

yeh I realise this..

what Im suggesting is an apologetic attitude isn't really a justification..

dude may love Dubstep, so do I, but I don't produce the single worst thing to happen to music in the last few years!

[jackquinox]

Jamie from Hadouken...

..was shockin out @ fwd before half of you knew what a subwoofer was.

know this
large up Venom

When i mentioned Hadouken! i never gave an opinion on there music i just felt that with them being so much the flavour of the month at the moment they could use the mainstream platform to promote the grime scene as a whole so that at least the average kid that likes there music can say "oh thats cool hadouken state they where influenced by this mc or this producer" which means this group of kids will possibley explore the music to a greater depth and get schooled which can only be a good thing.

[rob_o]

if it was up to me id like nu rave to be atleast 500 words away dubstep in any sentence. i think its mad how its starting to be linked to it when like dmz croud is so differnt to those fruity nu rave nights where its all about t shirts with large text on em an spoon sunglass's an kids on xtc thinking they have re invented rave.... its like there taking the piss outta grime dubstep inaway i mean i have u seen those kids with tight pants and nu ere hats they look like they hang round with timmy mallet... anyways i recon its a fad like ska punk, an nu metal so hopefully when the next big thing comes along it will be all forgotten about.

[thinking]

it's not my/your/our music - noone's got any more say in it than anyone else, that would be silly.


there's already more than enough numpties with half a clue talking air about dubstep music on this forum for me to get wound up about a few haircuts listening to Request Line.

That seems a little bit self-contradictary man.

By claiming that your knowledge of dubstep gives you more right to express your opinions (or at least gives them more weight) on an open forum like this seems to suggest you're claiming at least some kind of claim to ownership (for want of a better word) of the music. I don't even disagree with this.

no not at all. I've been through all these emotions/feelings of other people getting into music that I hold dear to my heart - my point is that it's futile and actually selfish to want 'my/our' music to be witheld from certain types of people, just because of our opinion on their tastes.

I don't really get your comment about gamelan/buddhist chanting - what's to stop me setting up my own gamelan (apart from the expense)?? Nothing at all. A music's ethnicity doesn't preclude others from listening to, playing or experimenting with it.

[thomas]

anyways i recon its a fad like ska punk, .

Ska Punks been goign for time mate more of an underground/less comm thing, its no fucking Fad. I think you need to re-read the deffinition of fad. It dosnt need a capital letter for one.

Its easy to not understand somthing, and easier to say somthing supid like you just did.

[shonky]

Have you been to one of these nights man. It's like a scene out of Nathan Barley. EVeryone's just taking pictures of themselves pouting for their myspace and trying hard to make it look like they're not trying hard.

I just don't want NME going to a dance and claiming that, 'this is dubstep'. You know how the media does. 'Nu-Rave' (a term I do not particularly like, hence the inverted commas) is a prime example of detrimental media hype.

No I haven't been to the nights, heard a Hadouken tune and didn't think it as dreadful as some people did.

I just think it's a fairly bullshit argument to say that other people shouldn't have access to and be influenced by the same music as we like. It's available to everyone. Every few weeks we get a "drum and bass producer is jumping on the bandwagon" or "breaks dj is ripping off dubstep" - as I mentioned a few months back, dubstep's not your special girl.

It's not like people aren't taking pictures of each other in dubstep and putting them on this forum or their myspace pages is it. It's basic snobbery and shouldn't be indulged. Why don't we just tell all the drum and bass heads, and reggae fans and hip hop people to stop coming into the genre at the same time. You'd think people were born into this music.

For fuck's sake, I bought Nation of Millions cause I'd heard the Slayer sample in She Watch Channel Zero which as a teenage metal fan I quite liked. I then searched back, found other stuff I liked and then kept going till I arrived here - I'm sure there are plenty of hip hop people that wouldn't have wanted me in their set, but it's mine if I want it, so fuck em