DUBSPOT - Any help here?

[nowaysj]

I don't think anyone is dissing dubspot, but if you've never produced music before, it is an awfully big commitment of time and resources without even trying it out first on your own. I think what OP is saying is he wants to be a famous producer/dj without any clue of what that means, or will entail. Making electronic/computer music nowadays is so ridiculously easy, it might be worth it to try it out first, before you commit so much to a fairly ludicrous teenage dream. *no offense*

[VirtualMark]

what the fuck is drumstep...

dubstep at dnb speed

[Sexual_Chocolate]

what the fuck is drumstep...

brostep at dnb speed

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[VirtualMark]

Making electronic/computer music nowadays is so ridiculously easy

It's ridiculously easy? Can't say I agree.

[KONTRA]

I don't think anyone is dissing dubspot, but if you've never produced music before, it is an awfully big commitment of time and resources without even trying it out first on your own. I think what OP is saying is he wants to be a famous producer/dj without any clue of what that means, or will entail. Making electronic/computer music nowadays is so ridiculously easy, it might be worth it to try it out first, before you commit so much to a fairly ludicrous teenage dream. *no offense*

Okay, where are you getting the idea that I'm trying to become a famous producer without paying my own dues and actually taking the time to learn what i actually all takes? I've said throughout this entire thread that I'm NOT trying to rush anything at all, I'm trying to learn everything from the ground up pretty much, hence why I was going to see what was up with Dubspot. I figured, it could only help to be a classroom setting with a pro as the teacher sayin, "this does this, and that does that."

In the last post I made I specifically said, I know this is gonna take a few years to even be at a point where i MIGHT even have a chance and im okay with that because this is what i want. I know this may seem like your average teen sayin this because of their lack of experience and blah blah fuckin blah, but let me be the first to tell you, I take this seriously. I'm not trying to come across like an ass, but I want to make it clear that this isnt some 10 second pipedream of some kid whos just asking questions to waste peoples time.

Also, I have/still try everyday to make beats and I have some decent ones already started I'm just at the point where I don't know what tools I needed to use to make them sound more pro and unique. So it's not like i just came on here and said, "GIMME ALL THE ANSWERZ ON HOW TO MAKE TEH DUBZ!" I came here to ask pretty much where I should go or what I should be reading or watching to improve on what knowledge i already do have just by playing around in FL and I've gotten some very useful and helpful answers on where to find the info I was looking for.

and btw, from what I've been reading, watching and learning, even from a beginners perspective it is NOT easy to make electronic music.....at least if you're doin it properly..

[Earjax]

Haha ok Kontra I misjudged ya if you think you have the passion for it then go for it man

[wormcode]

what the fuck is drumstep...

brostep at dnb speed

fix'd

Haha half-time drum n bass is what it was called in 2000. Amit's one of the first who was releasing that style. It seems to have finally gotten popular.

[KONTRA]

Haha ok Kontra I misjudged ya if you think you have the passion for it then go for it man

Thanks bro!

[Alistairr]

Making electronic/computer music nowadays is so ridiculously easy

It's ridiculously easy? Can't say I agree.

id say there are ridiculous amount of resources, not just tutorials, but blogs, sample packs etc to get the ball the rolling, so in that respect there should be no complaints about starting a project.

but making music has and always will be about ideas. thats what makes it tough going. if u run out of ideas, or are not comfortable thinking outside the box, then ur going to find it an up-hill struggle no matter how many hours u put it in.

so overall, the entry barriers have decreased dramatically, but the fundamentals of actual music production are stull the same, in my opinion.

[Earjax]

It s easier to make EDM than say 15 or 20 ears ago, however its a lot harder than 5-10 years ago.
EDIT: Easier than ever to make EDM, harder than ever to make it in EDM.

[Anne Droid]

if you can go and have the $$, of course it would help. I would if I could...

if ppl are going to sit here and say that sitting in your room on a comp watching youtube tutorials is what you should be doing... idk thats just retarded.

Dubspot looks legit as fuck, i wish i could go.

damn work

[KONTRA]

if you can go and have the $$, of course it would help. I would if I could...

if ppl are going to sit here and say that sitting in your room on a comp watching youtube tutorials is what you should be doing... idk thats just retarded.

Dubspot looks legit as fuck, i wish i could go.

damn work

Thanks for the feedback! I don't think people are saying I should just be sitting here watching youtube vids compared to going and getting traditional schooling, but it's kinda like if you can find the course material online anyways why pay, ya know? However, like i said earlier, the element of a pro being at the front of the room telling you first hand the way things work I think would be a huge benefit. I guess it all depends on your style of learning though, if you can teach yourself and learn just as much as you could from an actual course more power to ya!

[daeMTHAFKNkim]

Rusko & Doctor P took some courses of whatever. I seen it in an interview of them. Didn't know Zomboy did also.....Seems like a lot of them actually took some sort of class...Dillon Francis had a producer friend teach him Ableton Live inside & out in 3 months...seen that in a interview also...boom he is now famous after just 1 year.

Like everyone else said...if you have the money then definitely do it. Shit I already looked at Dubspot classes about 5 months ago but the prices are ridiculous. BUT I'd learn all of the basics/what you can and then consider the class....trust me you'll learn a lot on your own and it'll be easier instead of taking all this info in a small timeframe then forgetting most of it...

I'd learn whatever I can and then consider classes if you need help on certain things.... I want classes/someone to teach me mixing more in-depth, the use of reverb, delay, white noise, backround sweeps(build-ups) and such. It's probably my weakest part of production.

I've only been producing for about 7-8 months now. And it isn't on a consistent basis.... I haven't produced anything in about a month. But I've learned sooooooooooooo much and gotten so much better in such a short timeframe. I've only finished about 2 songs in that timeframe and I consider them unfinished. I have a bunch of started projects with great ideas.

If you spend all your time on a track then go back and change something everyday/execute what you've learned onto the track each day then you'll become good in no time.

Btw anyone know any Production Classes near Colorado or in Colorado? (Going to search this shit right now). If you know of any then message me or reply please.

[KONTRA]

Rusko & Doctor P took some courses of whatever. I seen it in an interview of them. Didn't know Zomboy did also.....Seems like a lot of them actually took some sort of class...Dillon Francis had a producer friend teach him Ableton Live inside & out in 3 months...seen that in a interview also...boom he is now famous after just 1 year.

Like everyone else said...if you have the money then definitely do it. Shit I already looked at Dubspot classes about 5 months ago but the prices are ridiculous. BUT I'd learn all of the basics/what you can and then consider the class....trust me you'll learn a lot on your own and it'll be easier instead of taking all this info in a small timeframe then forgetting most of it...

I'd learn whatever I can and then consider classes if you need help on certain things.... I want classes/someone to teach me mixing more in-depth, the use of reverb, delay, white noise, backround sweeps(build-ups) and such. It's probably my weakest part of production.

I've only been producing for about 7-8 months now. And it isn't on a consistent basis.... I haven't produced anything in about a month. But I've learned sooooooooooooo much and gotten so much better in such a short timeframe. I've only finished about 2 songs in that timeframe and I consider them unfinished. I have a bunch of started projects with great ideas.

If you spend all your time on a track then go back and change something everyday/execute what you've learned onto the track each day then you'll become good in no time.

Btw anyone know any Production Classes near Colorado or in Colorado? (Going to search this shit right now). If you know of any then message me or reply please.

That's kinda what I'm in the process of doing right now man; just learning all I can and as much as I can until I hit a point where I need some sort of professional insight to help me out.

Right now, the three main things I'm working on is music theory, Mixing & Mastering, and Sound Design using a Synthesizer.

[Point Blank Music]

Hi Guys,

First of all I just wanted to say that it's good to see a healthy amount of discussion on the topic of production education, it's always an subject that throws up a lot of different views brings about some good debate. It's also always good for us to hear form you guys and your thoughts on what we, and dubspot, do.

I still find it slightly odd when people are against paying for music production training; the fact is that in order to get to high standard why wouldn't you want to be taught by a professional with years of industry experience? For any other skill you'd be happy to pay for the education; people take art classes, cooking classes, graphic design classes, people pay to learn all sorts of skills that you can find a wealth of free information and tutorials for all over the net.

We provide professional training in music production and sound engineering to students from all over the world via our studios here in London and the online classes. The benefit of learning from professionals is that you can get training to take you right from the ground up and will have dedicated tutors to bounce ideas of and to give in-depth feedback on your work every step of the way.

I'm keen to hear more from you guys and your thoughts, also if you have any questions then please feel free to ask.

Thanks!

Luke

[Fbac]

Altho slightly off topic, i went to university to learn to mix and master my edm. Thinking il use this time to get some really good sounding tracks to help me get signed.
A few years later and the course i took (music and sound production) has opened my eyes to all the other parts of modernday music making (max msp and experimental music in particuler) . I learnt that altho i was never a good programmer i can do this.
Since then ive now got a new passion for designing tangible musical user interfaces for teaching. This was mainly helped by my lecturers who taught me to think "big" , and i gained a much better respect and understanding of experimental music as before i was unaware of the "concepts" of these pieces.

In relation to this thread, school did give me the chance to speak with sound engineers who i could ask specific questions to. (such as when i master do i want the final output at 0 or -3? How do i patch bay this so i can record back into logic? Should i compress these heavily distorted guitars? (no as distrotion is a form of compression) .. I also got hands on experience using Desks and Protools something i wouldnt of been able to touch if i had learnt on my own.

Having said that i do belive the majority of what i have learnt comes from the net, dsf is a really great place to learn as well, i come here regurly to look at the production thread for questions i may not even have thought about asking.

As for the three points you mentioned, 1 and 2 id say you can learn online . 3 ive never heard of harmonic distortion! (best look this up or start a new thread on dsf) (THE DSF GOOGLE sticky by Basic A at the top is your friend!) referancing, doesnt that mean comparing your track to a already released track?

The Ableton course sounds like a good idea, and would save you time in the long run. Ive only recently become aware of the "session" mode . And having only 3 1 hr classes on the software am now capable of recording looping and doin a little live freestyle performance.

I wonder if i had taken a reason course how my music would have changed, but i kind of belive that if you teach yourself your more likely to "find" your own sound. as you come up with ways that work for you, there are no set rules in music making (well a few but there are many ways around it)

... anyways bk to work... dsf is also good for procrastination it would seem XD

[KONTRA]

Hi Guys,

First of all I just wanted to say that it's good to see a healthy amount of discussion on the topic of production education, it's always an subject that throws up a lot of different views brings about some good debate. It's also always good for us to hear form you guys and your thoughts on what we, and dubspot, do.

I still find it slightly odd when people are against paying for music production training; the fact is that in order to get to high standard why wouldn't you want to be taught by a professional with years of industry experience? For any other skill you'd be happy to pay for the education; people take art classes, cooking classes, graphic design classes, people pay to learn all sorts of skills that you can find a wealth of free information and tutorials for all over the net.

We provide professional training in music production and sound engineering to students from all over the world via our studios here in London and the online classes. The benefit of learning from professionals is that you can get training to take you right from the ground up and will have dedicated tutors to bounce ideas of and to give in-depth feedback on your work every step of the way.

I'm keen to hear more from you guys and your thoughts, also if you have any questions then please feel free to ask.

Thanks!

Luke

This is exactly what I meant by being in a room with a professional telling you things step by step. I've also checked out Point Blank's courses too and in fact, found them before I found Dubspot, but stopped lookin after I found out your studios were in London So I looked for an american point blank pretty much and came across Dubspot and thought it was perfect!

[ObscenityDubstep]

Well, go there to get some turntablism skillz from shiftee, other than that, quite useless. It's not that hard to produce electro. i mean, its just kick snare kick snare with a beautifull melody or a lazerrish highpitched sound glides threw 2 notes repeatedly.

[VirtualMark]

Well, go there to get some turntablism skillz from shiftee, other than that, quite useless. It's not that hard to produce electro. i mean, its just kick snare kick snare with a beautifull melody or a lazerrish highpitched sound glides threw 2 notes repeatedly.

Yeah man, piece of piss, that's why we're all as successful as Deadmau5.

[KONTRA]

Yeah man, piece of piss, that's why we're all as successful as Deadmau5.