Brostep / Skrillex and the Forum.

[magma]

[Sexual_Chocolate]

i seriously hope he gets put in his place tbh

[pete_bubonic]

i get annoyed at times, but its not constant.... SOME of the discussions in here are worth coming back for.... like this one.

I know I can be fairly sarcy at times. But put simply, we merged threads that were directly related. That were posts concerning any of the well trodden brostep/skrillex threads. We left plenty of threads concerning individual tunes or worthwhile discussions. But this is a *reaction* to what, you, the users do. If a thread starts to get bogged down with the same old tired replies about how 'it's not dubstep', 'skrillex sucks' or the other banal conversations then it gets merged. That's not us hating brostep, that's the users (a minority) of the forum. It seems that no-one can stop the flow of the continual whinging, so we made a thread in which those people can do just that. And what do you know. It's worked, not perfectly, but other threads can actually get on with their purpose.

On the level, I disagree with the segregation of any music types from the main forum. I personally disagree with the house and hiphop forums, not my call to make however. Why can't users show others the common decency and respect to understand that people like different things?! Someone wants to post up the new ASAP Rocky beat on the main forum, I'm behind that, same goes for Skrillex, Doctor P or whatever. It's down to the users to show enough respect and maturity. Alas, there are a few people incapable of doing so and as a result, instead of mods (who are human) arbitrarily deciding what they class as Dubstep or not (and on a personal level, I do not think any of the aformentioned stuff to be dubstep - so should all of it be moved off the main forum?!), we create a method for people to get the whinging, venting and general bitchiness out, without the facist implications of us deciding what is and isn't good enough to be dubstep.

You may disagree with this, that's cool and all. But it genuinely seems to be working and I will always be against further forum segregation.

[LA_Boxers]

So much failz.

[Distate]

interesting stuff.

[Electric_Head]

at least he`s using digital mixing, none of this boring vinyl crap

[Sexual_Chocolate]

so, i guess this thread is just the dsf brostep recylcing bin? the place where all 'trash' gets redirected to

i can understand that to a certain degree i suppose... but i just feel like things could be different


i think that we do need to sort ourselves out in terms of stopping continual trolling of particular threads



on the note of segregation, i think the splitting of the house forum was a great idea.... its one of the best places on dsf tbh (theres next to fuck all trolling in there & 99/100 threads are quality through n through)
but the hiphop forum *sigh* that place is so well hidden that its almost pointless (not that there isnt quality in there too)

[Sexual_Chocolate]

at least he`s using digital mixing, none of this boring vinyl crap

vinyl? whats that?.... do you mean that stuff thats on my kitchen floor?

[MrAural]

Skrillex. Skrillex everywhere.

Seriously, I think he's trying to be the 40 year old Skrillex. Or Skrillex has time traveled and shit happened.

[joeki]

Dour Festival, Arguably Europe's most Alternative big festival:

Saturday Line-up :

- Doctor p
- Flux Pavilion
- Cookie Monstah
- Bar9
- Funtcase
- Gemini
- Koan Sound

I mean, this is a festival where I saw: Kode9, Pariah, L-Vis 1990 b2b Bok Bok, Joy Orbison, Pearson Sound and many more last year. Now I'm going to have to sit through that shit on Saturday?
This is the real issue with bro-step: I don't question its right of existence, for all I care it IS dubstep I don't mind. I don't have anything against people listening to it either. But now, this is what happens: we get pushed to the sound whilst there is still plenty of other innovating, quality and evolutionary dubstep/offshoots out there. But now I don't get an option any more.

On a sidenote: Mosca, Pinch and Ikonika are playing sometime there too but still, that's a fucked up night of no diversity what-so-ever.

[seckle]

I think this thread is healthy, gives a place for the members of the forum to stroke their puritanical ego as well as build their well needed 'true' Dubstep street-cred!' 'Ay yo, dis brostep crap, ain't got no SOUL....IT AINT GOT NO SOUL!!111' etc

Joking aside, a sub-forum wouldn't work. The reality is that this forum doesn't represent a lot of the music out there which many consider to be Dubstep anymore. You wouldn't get many people listening to what most here call 'brostep' joining this forum, and the ones that do will most likely get a rough ride from the 'Tru Dubstep street-cred crew'. Thus a sub-forum would turn into a hate-fest with only existing members posting, like this thread.

Best to keep the forum in it's own bubble

The problem with starting talk like " the true sound " of dubstep is entirely context. When this forum had 1500 members in 2006, I think 85% of them could agree roughly on what the sound meant; its definitions then. Now we're at a totally different paradigm in the music, as the influences are the sound itself. Dubstep influencing dubstep, rather than garage / darker garage / dub / grime influencing dubstep. Trying to be gatekeepers of one particular end of the sound is just about the dumbest thing we could do as a web presence. Gatekeeping and definitions, should be left up to the community and media to contextualize. Our job in moderating is harder now than ever simply for the reason that we'll never make everyone happy with anything we do. We're also never going to move on from the facts that this place is called dubstepforum and not 140bassforum or something a bit more open ended. People will come here expecting dubstep, and whatever variable of that bumping around currently.

Its very similar to a book going from the publishing house doors, to moving on to the bestsellers list, and global recognition. A book that was read by a few hundred thousand at first, is now read by a few million. This means that the book is now something of popular culture, versus book culture. Its importance is purely in the context of the person who reads it, not who might think its a statement of a time and place, or a commentary on a culture.

[exfox]

Dour Festival, Arguably Europe's most Alternative big festival:

Saturday Line-up :

- Doctor p
- Flux Pavilion
- Cookie Monstah
- Bar9
- Funtcase
- Gemini
- Koan Sound

I mean, this is a festival where I saw: Kode9, Pariah, L-Vis 1990 b2b Bok Bok, Joy Orbison, Pearson Sound and many more last year. Now I'm going to have to sit through that shit on Saturday?
This is the real issue with bro-step: I don't question its right of existence, for all I care it IS dubstep I don't mind. I don't have anything against people listening to it either. But now, this is what happens: we get pushed to the sound whilst there is still plenty of other innovating, quality and evolutionary dubstep/offshoots out there. But now I don't get an option any more.

On a sidenote: Mosca, Pinch and Ikonika are playing sometime there too but still, that's a fucked up night of no diversity what-so-ever.

yeah this was seriously disappointing. on the other hand i think it means they've announced the whole "filthy" dubstep line up now so we'll probably get more names like pinch in the future announces... i can't imagine mosca being the only artist of his genre playing on saturday!

[joeki]

yeah, really hoping that entire line-up is for one tent. That would be some redemption of it all.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

id sit through an entire circus lineup just to see pinch tbh

[Cubicle]

I honestly think those 2 are related. What are the fucking odds.

[Dead Rats]

I can't see how anyone can claim to be a Korn fan and like anything past Untouchables, tbh (and even then, Untouchables and Issues especially were both quite weak)

I don't feel angry at Korn anymore, they've been dead to me a long time. That being said, Korn (self titled) still remains one of my favourite albums, and I blast it, Life is Peachy and Follow the Leader still quite regularly.

I know all the lyrics of all these albums

[Electric_Head]

I can't see how anyone can claim to be a Korn fan and like anything past Untouchables, tbh (and even then, Untouchables and Issues especially were both quite weak)

I don't feel angry at Korn anymore, they've been dead to me a long time. That being said, Korn (self titled) still remains one of my favourite albums, and I blast it, Life is Peachy and Follow the Leader still quite regularly.

I know all the lyrics of all these albums

[Forum]

Seperated at birth?

[Cubicle]

I can't see how anyone can claim to be a Korn fan and like anything past Untouchables, tbh (and even then, Untouchables and Issues especially were both quite weak)

I don't feel angry at Korn anymore, they've been dead to me a long time. That being said, Korn (self titled) still remains one of my favourite albums, and I blast it, Life is Peachy and Follow the Leader still quite regularly.

I know all the lyrics of all these albums

Korn self titled was definitly better than Untouchables and Issues but I can't call them weak tho. The one after that was my last album that I've bought and then they started to get quite horrible. Looking In the Mirror if I can recall correctly.

[wub]

The problem with starting talk like " the true sound " of dubstep is entirely context. When this forum had 1500 members in 2006, I think 85% of them could agree roughly on what the sound meant; its definitions then.

Well said.



Remember the furore over breakstep 'killing the scene'? Seems jokes now...