so whats with the whole vogue thing

[Tropical]

this years juke

[Soiree]

All tose tunes have a very powerful, fierce, and positive sound, ought to be contagious,
There's something tasty about the production, it's slick and sexy and soulful.

Helix, it's a tight rope out there, fine lines all around. IDK, I don't really see it permeating into mainstream, that vibe is too authentic, it's not a commodity that can be bottled, bought and sold, I'm just gay to have been presented with a beauty of a production style, I was getting fed up with the usual rotation.

It that a 303 or a bass guitar?

[Soiree]

throwing a layer of white hetero feces over everything

Helix has a way with words...

[joeki]

Tropical might have a point when he says this years Juke.

However, for me, ballroom House seems to have a much longer lifespan. Thankfully, in the recent months people have begun to realise that melodic juke is possible, it doesn't have to be dancefloor war all the time, which really helped the genre I think.
And by melody I'm not just talking about a hook, or a female vocal: I'm talking about the hazy electronics people like Sully, DJ Diamond and others have been cultivating. It adds a dream like character to abrasive tracks rhythm and tempo wise.

Ballroom House has variety, melody and an impressive back catalogue to feed off. It's slower and more spacious, and it has an elaborate culture behind that matters for some and obviously matters less to others.

We'll see in a few months time whether this will become THE new thing. I think we have a wrong view on Juke for example: though we encounter it a lot here in our community now, it is still underground as fuck. Yes some producers have been incorporating elements of it (but mainly leaving the hard to digest parts out of it). Concretely: In the past year there has been one Juke act to pass through my area: Machinedrum. Whereas other margin-style music that has been growing (especially the tech-house thing) is seeing parties rise up on a monthly basis over here.

[crutch]

yeah but imitation sounds like shit

only if you dont hide your sources well enough

loool fair play

[ufo over easy]

However, for me, ballroom House seems to have a much longer lifespan. Thankfully, in the recent months people have begun to realise that melodic juke is possible, it doesn't have to be dancefloor war all the time, which really helped the genre I think.

im sure the dancers in chicago and NY will be grateful for your assessment

[joeki]

thankfully, I'm not a dancer, nor am I in Chicago or NY.
I'm only describing the way I see it and the way I want to enjoy it myself, hence "I think". Which is also the reason I think some are being too harsh on it all. The original culture of both genre's simply isn't present here (or wasn't (?)). We can't just artificially create it here out of the blue because the music sounds great. We give it our own spin and can fill it up our own way, with sufficient respect for the roots.

[ufo over easy]

re: both styles, the culture is the music. they are inseparable, and a little sensitivity and respect is required when you come to it as an outsider.

[Hyacinth]

Cheeky. Its rare we do more then skim the surface of these scenes. Seems sensible to get hung up on the sound and not questions of legitimacy.

[ufo over easy]

it's not about legitimacy. it's about recognising and acknowledging privilege. it might be easier to consume music in a cultural vacuum as a straight middle class dude but that doesn't mean it's a cool thing to do.

[Hyacinth]

Is there something being inferred? Acknowledging privilege how? The privilege to avail myself of a music scene I would otherwise have overlooked? Cos I think most people can appreciate that. However, I don't feel any sort of near subconscious duty to learn about the background of every style of music I get turned onto. I certainly don't care why people are into a certain tune of mine as long as they're feeling it. I get that ballroom as a scene was intended in part to give voice to a minority in the US but I don't think for a second thats why people listened and continue to listen to the music. You can say its not about legitimacy but the image of the straight (white) middle class dude is classically painted as a culture (and in that, legitimacy) killer. It may not be for you but I think for some people it certainly is about "legitimacy" and background and I think thats silly. I prefer to think of music in a musical context rather then a full scale cultural context and it frustrates me when people lash out against a perceived threat to an underground scene. I'm not trying to approve or reject anything, I simply want to listen and discuss tunes without my background called into question.

I think the problem for a lot of people is they look at Dubstep and see how diluted and bastardized its become and immediately fear the same for any burgeoning scenes. I think the aftermath of the last few years has brought subgenre bickering to an all time high. I'm as guilty of talking a subject to death as anyone here, but I do really wish people could make a concerted effort to shutup and listen to the music.

[ufo over easy]

You can say its not about legitimacy but the image of the straight (white) middle class dude is classically painted as a culture (and in that, legitimacy) killer.

things are pretty tough for us right

[joeki]

re: both styles, the culture is the music. they are inseparable, and a little sensitivity and respect is required when you come to it as an outsider.

I was impressed by the respect that many people have shown here, again compare to dubstep...
To be perfectly honest, I've rarely seen such a thread where people start posting vids and give out information of the culture and people are actually listening and watching it and receiving it in a positive manner.

I mean, what more can one expect? I can't change race, background or sexual orientation now can I? Because it almost seems as though that is the only way for some to justify listening to it?
I'm sure you were referencing more the people that are making the music from outside the scene, but in a way, the same applies to them. I'm pretty sure, for most at the moment, their motives aren't to make a quick buck out of a certain culture and then move along...the question is will it come to that I suppose.

[+torment+]

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[fractal]

re: both styles, the culture is the music. they are inseparable, and a little sensitivity and respect is required when you come to it as an outsider.

[Hyacinth]

You can say its not about legitimacy but the image of the straight (white) middle class dude is classically painted as a culture (and in that, legitimacy) killer.

things are pretty tough for us right

I'm just making the point that evoking the white middle class is within stones throw of dismissing something as "hipster". I don't think its particularly insightful or new to bring up that point as its something already understood. I wish you had paid the rest of my argument as much mind as you did my supposed background.

Seems like you're projecting on me. I'm neither white nor middle class

[BASED]

if it was such a problem you wouldn't see people like MikeQ happily appear in people's mixes/events..... you guys are acting like people r trying to exploit it for anything its worth, its an interesting sound that sounds good, people dont seem to care when Pearson Sound plays african music...

[Burlish]

rol

[crutch]

You can say its not about legitimacy but the image of the straight (white) middle class dude is classically painted as a culture (and in that, legitimacy) killer.

things are pretty tough for us right

i lold. guys got a point tho, white culture (oprea/country) defiantly isnt hip or popular or even good (debatable), so we have to effectively steal from other cultures. aka blues -> rock n roll. jamacan ska -> uk ska/punk. people just need to do it with integrity and due respect.

[fractal]

You can say its not about legitimacy but the image of the straight (white) middle class dude is classically painted as a culture (and in that, legitimacy) killer.

things are pretty tough for us right

i lold. guys got a point tho, white culture (oprea/country) defiantly isnt hip or popular or even good (debatable), so we have to effectively steal from other cultures. aka blues -> rock n roll. jamacan ska -> uk ska/punk. people just need to do it with integrity and due respect.

maybe in the sixties through the eighties you could say that. nowadays we grow up submersed in hiphop, r&b, rock, jazz, etc. now it's american culture and doesn't belong to any race in particular imho. that's the thing about america, old cultures die, but new cultures bloom (imo)