JBoy wrote:The whole africa situation is like rubbing suncream on a burns victim.



JBoy wrote:The whole africa situation is like rubbing suncream on a burns victim.
magma wrote:You lot are going to find your gears increasingly ground in the modern world... it used to take a bestselling novel and a couple of decades to let the world know about something, now it takes a day and a half. I'd suggest getting slightly thicker skin... if you find other people showing an interest in a cause that doesn't interest you that much upsetting, you're really going to be at the end of your tether by the end of the decade.
Tbh, I'm not sure that's really why most people are taking a contrary position on this at all - it smacks of elitism to me. People are desperate to be seen to dislike the cause because it got so popular too quickly and so it doesn't feel cool or clever. Same reason most people don't like Adele, Brostep and LOLCats.
firky wrote:minimalistic = no fisting foreplay - get in there and do a bang and a squirt.
Because i see no way in which the cause benefits anyone in any way. It is different to Brostep and lolcats (i like adele) as peoples lives are at stake: blundering with troops into an already complex situation will just give rise to more chaos and the capture of Kony, which would mean the whole thing would be lauded as a success would instead just sow more chaos into the politics of the country.magma wrote:You lot are going to find your gears increasingly ground in the modern world... it used to take a bestselling novel and a couple of decades to let the world know about something, now it takes a day and a half. I'd suggest getting slightly thicker skin... if you find other people showing an interest in a cause that doesn't interest you that much upsetting, you're really going to be at the end of your tether by the end of the decade.
Tbh, I'm not sure that's really why most people are taking a contrary position on this at all - it smacks of elitism to me. People are desperate to be seen to dislike the cause because it got so popular too quickly and so it doesn't feel cool or clever. Same reason most people don't like Adele, Brostep and LOLCats.
The people of Uganda (and of the internet) may get a small amount of petty satisfaction from the arrest of Kony but it will not change anything within the country. To me, 'justice' campaigns, from the hunt for Karadzic and his ilk to the whole business with Bin Laden do not benefit anyone and are a surefire way of remaining rooted in the past. A campaing to improve the healthcare, education and living standards for those affected by the evils of Kony, yes, I could get behind that- but it doesn't have the good v evil narrative of this video and so will never become viral.guardian man wrote: It would be great to get rid of Kony. He and his forces have left abductions and mass murder in their wake for over 20 years.
But let's get two things straight:
1) Joseph Kony is not in Uganda and hasn't been for six years;
2) The LRA now numbers at most in the hundreds, and while it is still causing immense suffering, it is unclear how millions of well-meaning but misinformed people are going to help deal with the more complicated reality.
this ^ is my reasoning as to why i thought nothing of this, because a good chunk of the people that are doing this now, posting and telling everyone are doing it because its the "new thing happening", and knowing that only gets me angry that they want to prove to everyone how much they care but really don't. At least im honest enough in saying i feel for the abducted children's struggle but im def not gonna join this invisible children and kony movement.weedlefruit wrote:JBoy wrote:Dont apolagise, youre spot on mate. Anyone that cant see that is seriously misguided.weedlefruit wrote:Apologies in adance
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What annoys me about this is that all the people on my wacebook wall are only posting this because it's the latest "Look at what a good person I am" bullshit bandwagon that people go on about. Just an excuse for people to feel like the hero for a minute.
I gurantee that not one single person I know that is talking about this is actually going to make a concerted effort to work towards the solution because the people posting it are the same people who are now posting pictures of that african kid meme photo with captions like "woke up today, didn't get abducted by Kony".
No one will donate even a penny to the cause, no one will read more about it. Having that Kony poster on their wall is their idea of solving the worlds problems. Their way of showing how much they care without caring.
I hope people will take notice and try to fix the worlds problems, But everyday there are causes that can even affect and solve problems that are much closer to home and much more personal to all of us that no one takes any notice of and It grinds my gears that people get so angry about things for 2 minutes until the next injustice they have never heard of goes viral but won't do anything to help it.
I don't want to sound like a total tnuc here so apologies again, But I just needed to get it off my chest.
Cheers, I didn't want to be that contrarian guy that posts on everyones status' to say how benign and masturbatory the posting of this stuff is as most of them are my friends but cripes, Make a difference or leave it!
llennnn16 wrote:this ^ is my reasoning as to why i thought nothing of this, because a good chunk of the people that are doing this now, posting and telling everyone are doing it because its the "new thing happening", and knowing that only gets me angry that they want to prove to everyone how much they care but really don't. At least im honest enough in saying i feel for the abducted children's struggle but im def not gonna join this invisible children and kony movement.weedlefruit wrote:JBoy wrote:Dont apolagise, youre spot on mate. Anyone that cant see that is seriously misguided.weedlefruit wrote:Apologies in adance
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What annoys me about this is that all the people on my wacebook wall are only posting this because it's the latest "Look at what a good person I am" bullshit bandwagon that people go on about. Just an excuse for people to feel like the hero for a minute.
I gurantee that not one single person I know that is talking about this is actually going to make a concerted effort to work towards the solution because the people posting it are the same people who are now posting pictures of that african kid meme photo with captions like "woke up today, didn't get abducted by Kony".
No one will donate even a penny to the cause, no one will read more about it. Having that Kony poster on their wall is their idea of solving the worlds problems. Their way of showing how much they care without caring.
I hope people will take notice and try to fix the worlds problems, But everyday there are causes that can even affect and solve problems that are much closer to home and much more personal to all of us that no one takes any notice of and It grinds my gears that people get so angry about things for 2 minutes until the next injustice they have never heard of goes viral but won't do anything to help it.
I don't want to sound like a total tnuc here so apologies again, But I just needed to get it off my chest.
Cheers, I didn't want to be that contrarian guy that posts on everyones status' to say how benign and masturbatory the posting of this stuff is as most of them are my friends but cripes, Make a difference or leave it!
firky wrote:minimalistic = no fisting foreplay - get in there and do a bang and a squirt.
Genevieve wrote:Would you rather have people give a shit and have nothing happen, or people not give a shit and something happen?
It mostly just reeks of being spoiled. You can't always have your cake and eat it too.
firky wrote:minimalistic = no fisting foreplay - get in there and do a bang and a squirt.
Given that governments control the military and not Facebook groups (and that we're already pretty familiar with how governments choose to go or not go to war fairly independently of their populations - 1m people can march against war and we'll still go - why would the reverse not be equally true?), the military action part of it is fairly moot... the campaign is aimed at making the guy and the issue famous... any military action would be pretty severely vetted by all the usual people that decide military issues - the government, the armed forces and the law lords.hutyluty wrote:Because i see no way in which the cause benefits anyone in any way. It is different to Brostep and lolcats (i like adele) as peoples lives are at stake: blundering with troops into an already complex situation will just give rise to more chaos and the capture of Kony, which would mean the whole thing would be lauded as a success would instead just sow more chaos into the politics of the country.
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.
magma wrote:Given that governments control the military and not Facebook groups (and that we're already pretty familiar with how governments choose to go or not go to war fairly independently of their populations - 1m people can march against war and we'll still go - why would the reverse not be equally true?), the military action part of it is fairly moot... the campaign is aimed at making the guy and the issue famous... any military action would be pretty severely vetted by all the usual people that decide military issues - the government, the armed forces and the law lords.hutyluty wrote:Because i see no way in which the cause benefits anyone in any way. It is different to Brostep and lolcats (i like adele) as peoples lives are at stake: blundering with troops into an already complex situation will just give rise to more chaos and the capture of Kony, which would mean the whole thing would be lauded as a success would instead just sow more chaos into the politics of the country.
Propaganda always goes further than the sensible mind, its job is to be extreme like any kind of marketing (Carlsberg certainly isn't the best lager in the world, but we don't call them liars every time an advert comes on... we realise it's marketing)... once the extreme message been filtered by several million people, argued about with several million more and eventually raised as a policy issue by government, it's usually gone down several pegs. Actually, the only tangible thing the campaign is acheiving is making the guy and the issue famous - it's up to everyone else (and most importantly, elected governments/the UN) to decide what to do about it once they know... it may well be nothing for exactly the reasons stated by everyone in this thread.
The important precident is that a single issue charity/campaign has managed to promote itself so effectively in such a short period of time. Whether this particular cause is righteous or anyone chooses to do anything about it or not, that's a really positive sign for our humanity.
firky wrote:minimalistic = no fisting foreplay - get in there and do a bang and a squirt.
The to do list to improve humanity is never ending... it's only 15 years or so since we had to sort out ethnic cleansing in our own continent and under half a century since MLK was killed in the States. We've got a long way further to go than we've come.weedlefruit wrote:I do totally agree with you, by that token I guess the people that would be able to make the difference would already be aware of this issue though, and so people calling for something to do be done would be just as pointless as had been suggested?
It seems people might have got me wrong, I'm not bagging on everyones opinions, Just putting forward how I felt on the matter. But yeah, you are right on this, the people in power have and will continue to try and make things right with or without the support of the public and I guess at the end of the day, there is a hell of a to do list to get through before justice is done everywhere
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.
^thisLACE wrote:i just want to slap the smug off that man's face, don't trust him one bit. i'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the US military is gonna use momentum from this video to increase the number of troops in uganda for the most ppreeeccciioouss resource. all in the name of humanity and good will! america the protector of the weak!
cloaked_up wrote:looks like he is wearing a green neon EDM mini bar fridge lamp shoe
SoundcloudSoulstep wrote: My point is i just wanna hear more vibes
I see your point, but 90% of charity workers get paid from government grants and not from donation money where as the other 10% volenteer. These guys are obviously new and dont have government based financial support yet which is why theyre doing it this way.legend4ry wrote:Just finished watching the video & read the thread.
Heres some thoughts..
I have worked in charity and its a pretty easy to find fact that what a charity gets in donations isn't instantly implemented into aid. There is no one so charitable in this world that they'll not want to receive some sort of payment while doing their job; after all it is a job.
That being said; I think it was 19p of every pound donated to the British Red Cross will not go (it was a while ago, might be the other way around, I forgot exact figures) into aid but into the charity's other financial needs like Campaigns. One of the campaigns I worked on from one of the leading Charity's in the UK spend a 7 figure number on fundraisers, physical products, TV adverts and other promotional tools and thats without peoples pay; there is bound to be at least low 6 figure salary for the head honcho - surely?
Charity's are not as dodge as people think they just don't work how everything thinks they should. A small charity like this one (well, was small) would of needed a lot of expenses for individual people as marketing, researching and fieldwork all cost money and it makes sense not to hire more people when you can do it yourself. That being said; I haven't read all the information about the money situation of these guys I am just using my knowledge of what I have worked in, in the past!
I think the campaign is something which will either leave peoples homeland worse than what it already is in terms of political pressure or need further contributions from the rest of the world with the bill raising every year. Kony is really just the top layer; yeah that layer is made out of solid concrete and will be hard to get rid of but its not impossible then you have all the rest to deal with.
Its about time people want to do -something- to help Africa in a bigger and more prolonged impacting way unlike children in need or w/e that bullshit is on tv each year.
It is very exciting to see the impact one video can have upon the world, especially related to a video on a charitable issue and yes, it has created a lot of debate over Uganda and troubles within African states and raising awareness, which can only be positive. However, the success of this video means that I think it will probably end up as the blueprint to many charity campaigns in the future and as I do not believe in the "righteousness" of the cause I can't see this as a good thing: The intense focus on Kony is not going to benefit the people of Uganda only to serve as an excuse for why there is stilll such abject poverty in the region for the (also war criminals) Ugandan rulers, yet the viral seems to have only gained in popularity due to this intense focus.magma wrote:Given that governments control the military and not Facebook groups (and that we're already pretty familiar with how governments choose to go or not go to war fairly independently of their populations - 1m people can march against war and we'll still go - why would the reverse not be equally true?), the military action part of it is fairly moot... the campaign is aimed at making the guy and the issue famous... any military action would be pretty severely vetted by all the usual people that decide military issues - the government, the armed forces and the law lords.hutyluty wrote:Because i see no way in which the cause benefits anyone in any way. It is different to Brostep and lolcats (i like adele) as peoples lives are at stake: blundering with troops into an already complex situation will just give rise to more chaos and the capture of Kony, which would mean the whole thing would be lauded as a success would instead just sow more chaos into the politics of the country.
Propaganda always goes further than the sensible mind, its job is to be extreme like any kind of marketing (Carlsberg certainly isn't the best lager in the world, but we don't call them liars every time an advert comes on... we realise it's marketing)... once the extreme message been filtered by several million people, argued about with several million more and eventually raised as a policy issue by government, it's usually gone down several pegs. Actually, the only tangible thing the campaign is acheiving is making the guy and the issue famous - it's up to everyone else (and most importantly, elected governments/the UN) to decide what to do about it once they know... it may well be nothing for exactly the reasons stated by everyone in this thread.
The important precident is that a single issue charity/campaign has managed to promote itself so effectively in such a short period of time. Whether this particular cause is righteous or anyone chooses to do anything about it or not, that's a really positive sign for our humanity.
JTMMusicuk wrote:I see your point, but 90% of charity workers get paid from government grants and not from donation money where as the other 10% volenteer. These guys are obviously new and dont have government based financial support yet which is why theyre doing it this way.legend4ry wrote:Just finished watching the video & read the thread.
Heres some thoughts..
I have worked in charity and its a pretty easy to find fact that what a charity gets in donations isn't instantly implemented into aid. There is no one so charitable in this world that they'll not want to receive some sort of payment while doing their job; after all it is a job.
That being said; I think it was 19p of every pound donated to the British Red Cross will not go (it was a while ago, might be the other way around, I forgot exact figures) into aid but into the charity's other financial needs like Campaigns. One of the campaigns I worked on from one of the leading Charity's in the UK spend a 7 figure number on fundraisers, physical products, TV adverts and other promotional tools and thats without peoples pay; there is bound to be at least low 6 figure salary for the head honcho - surely?
Charity's are not as dodge as people think they just don't work how everything thinks they should. A small charity like this one (well, was small) would of needed a lot of expenses for individual people as marketing, researching and fieldwork all cost money and it makes sense not to hire more people when you can do it yourself. That being said; I haven't read all the information about the money situation of these guys I am just using my knowledge of what I have worked in, in the past!
I think the campaign is something which will either leave peoples homeland worse than what it already is in terms of political pressure or need further contributions from the rest of the world with the bill raising every year. Kony is really just the top layer; yeah that layer is made out of solid concrete and will be hard to get rid of but its not impossible then you have all the rest to deal with.
Its about time people want to do -something- to help Africa in a bigger and more prolonged impacting way unlike children in need or w/e that bullshit is on tv each year.
Saying that though their salary is still a bit high for people doing it just for the cause, if they were getting an average wage from it i would be less suspicious
SoundcloudSoulstep wrote: My point is i just wanna hear more vibes
O I'm sure there is. We just don't know about it yet.Nevalo wrote:lolwut.... the american government are doing something that isnt for just financial gain? thats a first....
ultraspatial wrote:doing any sort of drug other than smoking crack is 5 panel.
incnic wrote:true headz tread a fine line between bitterness and euphoria - much like the best rave tunes
Nah, I'd have nobody to argue with if everyone else was as cheerful as me all the time... and nothing would ever get done. Do you!hutyluty wrote:But, then again, maybe I should just stop being so pessimistic
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.
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