Do you believe in God?

[cityzen]

as i see it, there is as much evidance in the big bang as there is in creationism. its all theory. no one can answer these questions.

lol think what you want. but i aint the shapest tool in the shed n i can honestly say i havn't the foggiest idea what steven hawkins is on about when he talks about the big bang, sub atomic particals and energy n shits expanding etc etc... goes way over my head n i recon thats true for a the majority of people who subscribe to that theory.

i'm perfectly fine sitting overe here in ther dark, making my own mind up.

Mate, i'm not exactly going to be on Mastermind any time soon either, just creationism has fuck all evidence to back it up whereas BBT has a ton. Also, BBT is not an explanation of how the universe came to be - it's an explanation of the development of the universe over a period of time.

[wub]

i'm perfectly fine sitting overe here in ther dark

And God said "Let there be light"

[cityzen]

i'm perfectly fine sitting overe here in ther dark

And God said "Let there be light"

The question is, who was God talking to?

[wub]

i'm perfectly fine sitting overe here in ther dark

And God said "Let there be light"

The question is, who was God talking to?

His roommate, Chugs.

[kay]

This is turning in to the thread we had a couple weeks ago

Haha, that's what I was thinking.


I always make it a point to post that Aurelius quote whenever this topic comes up.

Tis a brilliant quote.

[fassyman]

as i see it, there is as much evidance in the big bang as there is in creationism. its all theory. no one can answer these questions.

lol think what you want. but i aint the shapest tool in the shed n i can honestly say i havn't the foggiest idea what steven hawkins is on about when he talks about the big bang, sub atomic particals and energy n shits expanding etc etc... goes way over my head n i recon thats true for a the majority of people who subscribe to that theory.

i'm perfectly fine sitting overe here in ther dark, making my own mind up.

Mate, i'm not exactly going to be on Mastermind any time soon either, just creationism has fuck all evidence to back it up whereas BBT has a ton. Also, BBT is not an explanation of how the universe came to be - it's an explanation of the development of the universe over a period of time.

yeah i get that,

the point i was try into make is that all the theories have flaws n i think there are some questions that we can never answer.

[Electric_Head]

Sup guys, I'm God. Don't believe me? Prove me wrong.

Okay;

perfect

[kay]

There was a big thread on this a while a go i remember. not sure how many pages but it had some alright discussion in it. The search isn't letting me find it, but if anyone else can, link it in here.

I think it was either one of these:
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=236389
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=236993

3 times in 2-ish weeks is probably a record for these topics even on here!

[jameshk]

Im not sure what I believe too be honest, I believe im something, but what it is im not sure of, haha.

I think this thread is gona end in tears.

[d-T-r]

There was a big thread on this a while a go i remember. not sure how many pages but it had some alright discussion in it. The search isn't letting me find it, but if anyone else can, link it in here.

I think it was either one of these:
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=236389
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=236993

3 times in 2-ish weeks is probably a record for these topics even on here!

Nah i mean quite a while back. Think it was specifically a topic like 'does god exist' or do you believe in god.maybe the threads or posts disappeared over time. I only remember it because i posted something in there that i would post in here if i could remember what it was i wrote

There is no separation. For those that believe in god, don't disembody or perceive yourself separate from 'god''. For those that don't believe in god, don't disembody yourself or perceive yourself as separate from the universe.

And this =

Doesn't really matter what you believe , as long as your actions are 'constructive' and you're helpful for others and yourself , the direct experiences and the type of world you live in will be the result of it.

[kay]

Typing in "god" + "exist" into search of my posts digs up these notable large threads (newest to oldest), amidst other shorter threads:
Electronic music is for chavs
Evolution
Nature = God's existence?
Visualising ten dimensions (String theory)
Our world may be a giant hologram

I don't think it's any of them though. So:
1) It's actually something I (thankfully) avoided posting about regarding this subject.
2) I post too often on this subject.

[Naan_Bread]

I believe in life after love

[weedlefruit]

For those who are questioning the Big Bang Theory, it is a theory that has been peer reviewed, tested and not-disproved for close to 100 years. That's enough of a dead certainty in my book as anything haha.

On the subject of what was before the Big Bang, or the similar argument of the universe cannot come from nothing, I refer you to Lawrence Krauss.

This talk is essentially how and why the universe could/can come from absolutely nothing due to quantum fluctuations.



Interestingly, one thing that a lot of religious people miss is that although the Big Bang theory doesn't require there to be a God, it goes no way saying that one couldn't have been involved (although the book of genesis, if written about the creation of everything, is certainly a "for dummies" version of how it was all made!)

There are a lot of religious people who are coming round to the things that we at least do know now in regards to the origin of life and the universe and these are things that can be completely compatible with moderate religious ideals.

[particle-jim]

For those who are questioning the Big Bang Theory, it is a theory that has been peer reviewed, tested and not-disproved for close to 100 years. That's enough of a dead certainty in my book as anything haha.

people who don't understand the difference between a theory and a hypothesis

[weedlefruit]

For those who are questioning the Big Bang Theory, it is a theory that has been peer reviewed, tested and not-disproved for close to 100 years. That's enough of a dead certainty in my book as anything haha.

people who don't understand the difference between a theory and a hypothesis

Yeah, too many people assume a theory is what people think rather than what has been tried, tested, peer reviewed and faced much criticism on a personal and local level, before seeing global review and being accepted as the way it is until a new, demonstrable concept is put through the same scrutiny. Takes years, decades for something to be a recognised theory.

It's not quite the same as when people say "In theory, this sofa should fit through to whole", although when it comes to religious arguments, it seems to be the argument for God(s) that relies on this misunderstanding.

[kidshuffle]

also, holy shit constrobuz sighting

i guess we aren't talking about dubstep tho so it makes sense

im gonna start posting here more often, ive been slacking on my message board game

game recognize game

[magma]

2) I post too often on this subject.

Me too. I'm trying to avoid this one despite wanting to wade in on the Big Bang... I'll hop on the next time it comes up.

[fassyman]

For those who are questioning the Big Bang Theory, it is a theory that has been peer reviewed, tested and not-disproved for close to 100 years. That's enough of a dead certainty in my book as anything haha.

people who don't understand the difference between a theory and a hypothesis

Yeah, too many people assume a theory is what people think rather than what has been tried, tested, peer reviewed and faced much criticism on a personal and local level, before seeing global review and being accepted as the way it is until a new, demonstrable concept is put through the same scrutiny. Takes years, decades for something to be a recognised theory.

It's not quite the same as when people say "In theory, this sofa should fit through to whole", although when it comes to religious arguments, it seems to be the argument for God(s) that relies on this misunderstanding.

yeah you say that but there can never be proof of what happened all thoses billions of years ago can there...

your gonna dissagree but idk.

(The man that knows something knows that he knows nothing at all)

[weedlefruit]

For those who are questioning the Big Bang Theory, it is a theory that has been peer reviewed, tested and not-disproved for close to 100 years. That's enough of a dead certainty in my book as anything haha.

people who don't understand the difference between a theory and a hypothesis

Yeah, too many people assume a theory is what people think rather than what has been tried, tested, peer reviewed and faced much criticism on a personal and local level, before seeing global review and being accepted as the way it is until a new, demonstrable concept is put through the same scrutiny. Takes years, decades for something to be a recognised theory.

It's not quite the same as when people say "In theory, this sofa should fit through to whole", although when it comes to religious arguments, it seems to be the argument for God(s) that relies on this misunderstanding.

yeah you say that but there can never be proof of what happened all thoses billions of years ago can there...

your gonna dissagree but idk.

(The man that knows something knows that he knows nothing at all)

Your correct in ways, But one thing we can do is observe the effects of the big bang. We won't ever see it, but we know what probably happened to cause.

So far, we can see the point in the universe where it cooled enough to allow heavy atoms to be formed, allowing the stars to form which were needed to form heavy atoms, hydrogen and oxygen allowing water, then life (amongst all the other elements) . This is about 300,000 years after the big bang happened, before that, we know it was too hot, too hostile, too everything for anything to form, and it was the expansion that caused it all to cool. The strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity and electro magnetism were unstable.

Another interesting point is, due to the uniform expanson of the universe, we are at a very special time. A time where we can actually observe the reverberations of what happened. In a billion years or so, any life in the universe may be able to learn the laws of the universe, gravity etc etc, but the universe would have expanded beyond the point that they could even observe another galaxy, we're lucky we can see the billions of galaxies currently around us.


I do apologise if this talk is going against the discussion, back to God.

If you believe in God, anyone care to give an insight as what it was that turned you? or if you've always been religious, what it is that causes you to not question your belief?

None of this "well the bible says" nonsense, I want to know what it is for you. Your own personal reasons for belief?

[kay]

For those who are questioning the Big Bang Theory, it is a theory that has been peer reviewed, tested and not-disproved for close to 100 years. That's enough of a dead certainty in my book as anything haha.

people who don't understand the difference between a theory and a hypothesis

Yeah, too many people assume a theory is what people think rather than what has been tried, tested, peer reviewed and faced much criticism on a personal and local level, before seeing global review and being accepted as the way it is until a new, demonstrable concept is put through the same scrutiny. Takes years, decades for something to be a recognised theory.

It's not quite the same as when people say "In theory, this sofa should fit through to whole", although when it comes to religious arguments, it seems to be the argument for God(s) that relies on this misunderstanding.

yeah you say that but there can never be proof of what happened all thoses billions of years ago can there...

your gonna dissagree but idk.

(The man that knows something knows that he knows nothing at all)

Actually, you can prove what happened billions of years ago by looking at how things are now or by looking for evidence of what has happened in the past. It's not really that much different from proving what happened yesterday, a century ago, 10000 years ago, and so on. You just have to work out what clues to look for.

If you change some of the parameters used in various models for the beginning of the universe slightly, the universe would be very different from what we currently see around us. As it is, the inflation model for the big bang actually predicted a result that no one had ever seen before. This was then corroborated a number of years later. Therefore, in this case, reality confirmed the prediction.