Reality.

[noam]

ye he's sweet at analogies

and similies

n shit

[Ricky_Spanish]

mysticism is based on the experimental method. about direct experience. if you think that is different from science, you're incredibly intellectually challenged.

So let me just clarify as some people seem to think there is room for argument.

(I will henceforth refer to 'parsons' as General Melchett, or GM)

trollolololol

As General Melchett must already appreciate given that the guy in the kaballah video said correctly: [paraphrase]Your experiences are electrical facsimilies of data received by your senses.

GM said 'direct experience', so logically, 'direct experience' of anything can only exist if that sensation of experience is created within the brain, because for it to be external, it would have to be decoded by your senses and an electrical copy be generated for you to 'experience'. So anything external to the back of your brain where what you experience is generated is logically NOT 'directly experienced'

So my point is, that if you meditate and feel yourself connect to the 'ALL' of creation, then ok, fine, that could be objectively real(and I hope it is), but it could just as easily be a neuro-chemical reaction.

IT IS POINTLESS FOR A HAIRLESS MONKEY TO BE 100% POSITIVE THAT HIS 'MYSTICAL' EXPERIENCE IS OBJECTIVELY REAL AND NOT SIMPLY A NEURO-CHEMICAL REACTION.

Quantum Dynamics on the other hand is trivially easy to prove objectively real, given the fact that it makes astoundingly accurate predictions about the world. So your assertion that 'mysticism' is equal to the scientific method is laughable.

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Salient point:

[Possibility] As the human-being developed the ability to forecast their own death, another concept emerged which allowed that anxiety to be reduced. That concept has to be: Infinite, Forever , Everywhere. If you have and end then you have anxiety. So there had to be a concept inculcated within the brain that there is something 'OUT THERE' that goes on forever and if you 'relate' to it, that you can be a part of it, then the idea of Death/Anxiety becomes a non-event.

[parson]

fascinating.

[d-T-r]

Bringer , i might be making an assumption , but you sound as if you havn't experienced those same neuro-chemical reactions you mention

at the very least, that would enable you to compare both states of perception you speak of, by actually being the subject of the experiment and experiencing those neuro chemicals that you might be discrediting.

you're still subject to subjectivity remember .you can't discredit someone else's objective experience without experiencing that first.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Parson will win. That's all i'm saying.

Only a veteran knows this

[cityzen]

Parson will win. That's all i'm saying.

Only a veteran knows this

Parson brings it! Noobs are lambs to the slaughter.

[noam]

the rebuttal was lacking some of his usual venom though

[cityzen]

True. I still maintain he'll win though... largely because nobody knows what the game is.

[noam]

i bet i could beat Parson at connect 4

[MrAural]

This has turned into a cross between reality and the random thoughts thread.

[magma]

i bet i could beat Parson at connect 4

Yeah, but you still wouldn't win at the game he was playing.

[parson]

nobody wins till the great work is complete!

[BNanni]

I'm not even sure I know what reality means.

We certainly don't have the "big picture" and may never, but as far as anything that actually matters goes we're thrust into an experience of a few decades of human existence at a certain point in time due to some freak coalescence of space junk, billions of lonely years in galactic isolation and billions of years of organic evolution... consciousness was a gift given by none and chosen by none, those of us found in this bizarre situation just happen to be the (un)luckiest collections of atoms in the known universe.

...and then it just stops.

I have no useful input to this thread, because I spend most of my life in a day-dream like state. My 'reality' is disassociation and it fucking sucks
But anyway - I'm keeping this quote, Magma, it's awesome

[cityzen]

nobody wins till the great work is complete!

But surely when the great work is complete winning and losing are merely arbitrary.

[parson]

once everybody wakes up, we'll realize we were a single entity havin' a nap.

[cityzen]

..and so in order for there to be a winner or loser there must be a) a game, and b) two players.

[parson]

one player that decided to think he's a buncha people cuz it's a fun game to lose yourself and find yourself

[cityzen]

I'm unconvinced on the 'fun' part

[parson]

yeah, big lows = big highs. can't have sheer ecstasy without the opposite. figure out how to dance with it rather than fight it.

[parson]

the emerald tablets describe the unverse as music:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb04.htm

if you look at the golden ratio closely you'll see exactly how the universe is in fact music.

harmonic intervals are defined by this phi ratio. light breaks up into color at harmonic intervals. the planets are stacked around the sun at harmonic intervals. you can see the phi spirals every where. it's the shape of the galaxy. it's rhythmic. it's harmonic. it's a song.