Swamp 81 thread

[scattybeanhead]

Quick question, what is the VAT?

Do you mean the cost of the VAT? Or what is VAT?

If the latter, then it's Value Added Tax, currently set at 20%.

Yeah, like what it is.

I'm from America, so it makes me feel good when a portion of the price is chopped.

america doesn't do VAT? oh fuck that's not fair! bloody shitting tories...

[skimpi]

Quick question, what is the VAT?

Do you mean the cost of the VAT? Or what is VAT?

If the latter, then it's Value Added Tax, currently set at 20%.

Yeah, like what it is.

I'm from America, so it makes me feel good when a portion of the price is chopped.

america doesn't do VAT? oh fuck that's not fair! bloody shitting tories...

I'm pretty sure uk is the only country to do VAT, thats why when you go airport, you get the duty free, cos your basically out of the country

[Jurrecane]

Quick question, what is the VAT?

Do you mean the cost of the VAT? Or what is VAT?

If the latter, then it's Value Added Tax, currently set at 20%.

Yeah, like what it is.

I'm from America, so it makes me feel good when a portion of the price is chopped.

america doesn't do VAT? oh fuck that's not fair! bloody shitting tories...

I'm pretty sure uk is the only country to do VAT, thats why when you go airport, you get the duty free, cos your basically out of the country

I'm from Holland and pay the VAT to :S

[Ghost_Hardware]

Yeah, we pay it here in Germany as well, it's just that the tax rates are different in many countries. In Germany we got like 19%. I think Denmark does even have more.

[soulkids]

every country has some sort of VAT lol, switzerland is about 8%

[charliefoy]

Yeah America does have VAT i think, cause if you go on an american store online the prices are always before VAT

[pikeymobile]

mean streets pt 1 > mean streets pt 2

[badger]

undecided on this one. tunes are great but £10 is taking the piss

ben ufo put it well in an interview on little white earbuds that i was reading earlier today

it feels like a cop-out to me, running a vinyl record label and not making things available for the people who want to buy them. These days, when record buyers are few and far between, it feels like a mistake to press up a limited 200-copy record and then tell the Internet all about it, you know? To deliberately under-press a record seems so contrived and ungrateful given that there are comparatively so few people willing to spend money on a record now –- those who are left really care about it, so they deserve to be catered for I think.

swamp tunes always sell for more than other labels as it is so it's difficult to see what justification there is for the price of this one

[garethom]

swamp tunes always sell for more than other labels as it is so it's difficult to see what justification there is for the price of this one

This, basically. As I mentioned earlier, they know it will sell out, there was no risk of them not selling well to justify them charging more to cover their costs. I just hope more labels don't follow suit.

[badger]

they already are if you ask me. the average price in records has jumped a good pound or so in the last year

it's just mind-numbingly short sighted if they want to keep record sales alive. on the one hand you can understand charging more for records if you know that you're not going to sell as many, but it's a sure-fire way to guarantee that you aren't going to sell many

for a label that only releases vinyl this really doesn't sit well with me, especially considering (as you've said) this is guaranteed to sell out

[garethom]

they already are if you ask me. the average price in records has jumped a good pound or so in the last year

it's just mind-numbingly short sighted if they want to keep record sales alive. on the one hand you can understand charging more for records if you know that you're not going to sell as many, but it's a sure-fire way to guarantee that you aren't going to sell many

for a label that only releases vinyl this really doesn't sit well with me, especially considering (as you've said) this is guaranteed to sell out

Yeah, I guess so, the labels that sell at £5.99 are really beginning to stand out now.

[rorz9992]

My justification to myself for buying this was:
1. I really like the tunes
2. Vinyl only so I'm not going to be able to get this for cheaper on digital anyway
3. Price per tune is roughly the same as a 12" with two tracks

I do think £10 is taking the piss as well but no-one is forcing you to buy it. And it still works out better value than a single-sided 12"

[garethom]

And it still works out better value than a single-sided 12"

If we're going on that basis, then £10 for 3 tunes is a lot worse value than the Desolate LP I bought which was 10/11 tunes for £14

[rorz9992]

And it still works out better value than a single-sided 12"

If we're going on that basis, then £10 for 3 tunes is a lot worse value than the Desolate LP I bought which was 10/11 tunes for £14

Of course, LPs will generally be the best value... my point was that single sided 12"s come out all the time and people rarely complain about dropping £6-7 for one tune, but £10 for 3 tunes and everyone thinks a line has been crossed!

[apmje]

A lot of 130/house stuff sells at £7+.

Just the way it is now...bit shit.

[baseband]

they already are if you ask me. the average price in records has jumped a good pound or so in the last year

it's just mind-numbingly short sighted if they want to keep record sales alive. on the one hand you can understand charging more for records if you know that you're not going to sell as many, but it's a sure-fire way to guarantee that you aren't going to sell many

for a label that only releases vinyl this really doesn't sit well with me, especially considering (as you've said) this is guaranteed to sell out

Yeah, I guess so, the labels that sell at £5.99 are really beginning to stand out now.

I'd be curious to know what the record shops are paying when they buy them from the distributor.

back when CDs were still popular, the largest cost to the consumer for a major label release was from retail markup.

i know, it is apples and oranges. and vinyl shops that stock new releases are definitely justified in taking a decent piece of the pie (there is risk involved. some records dont sell well, look in the bargain-bin at redeye). are final prices decided by the labels, the distributors, or the record shops?

[untightled]

And it still works out better value than a single-sided 12"

If we're going on that basis, then £10 for 3 tunes is a lot worse value than the Desolate LP I bought which was 10/11 tunes for £14

Of course, LPs will generally be the best value... my point was that single sided 12"s come out all the time and people rarely complain about dropping £6-7 for one tune, but £10 for 3 tunes and everyone thinks a line has been crossed!

This

[badger]

fair point, but the main cost of pressing a record has nothing to do with the amount of tunes included (other than maybe paying the producer for the tune, and getting an extra mastering)

single sided releases do annoy me though as they could probably press another tune for much the same price. i've got some old garage records which have the same tune pressed on each side, because the cost of pressing double sided was the same as single, and they obviously thought they might as well put something on there

[tony031r]

I wonder how many insanely overpriced copies will pop up on Discogs by this time next week, since Redeye sold out literally overnight...

PS: I can understand the whole concept of a limited release and I stand by it, but 500 copies for what Swamp81 has become in terms of popularity lately... It simply isn't enough and it's not a fair attitude towards your customers either.

[untightled]

I wonder how many insanely overpriced copies will pop up on Discogs by this time next week, since Redeye sold out literally overnight...

PS: I can understand the whole concept of a limited release and I stand by it, but 500 copies for what Swamp81 has become in terms of popularity lately... It simply isn't enough and it's not a fair attitude towards your customers either.

Falty's first release was 500, so why not continue the Mean Streets sequence by pressing another 500? All other releases are not limited and will continue to get represses if necessary, to paraphrase Loefah in his latest interview.