Fast Responsive Bass, WITHOUT CLIPPING!

[FrostByte]

Anyone have any tips on how to create sub bass with a very fast attack and release, without any clipping? I've thrown an EQ on it and it still doesn't help. Suggestions?

[ehbes]

turn it down?

[FrostByte]

It's at -16db, I don't think I need to turn it down. It's not peaking, it's clipping.

[ehbes]

compression?

[FrostByte]

I don't know much about compression, how would I go about doing so?

[ehbes]

apply a compressor set the threshold to something low like -30 and the set the ratio to something high like 16:1 and let me know....basically what its doing is taking all of the audio that is exceeding -30 db and bringing it down by a ratio of 16 to 1

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

Wont that make your sine more square though?

[FrostByte]

It still didn't work. Here's a screenshot of my wavetable in Massive and a sample of the clipping.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ab9215gb5tm7r7d

[ehbes]

Wont that make your sine more square though?

if its a pure sine all it'll be doing is acting as a volume modulator

[ehbes]

It still didn't work. Here's a screenshot of my wavetable in Massive and a sample of the clipping.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ab9215gb5tm7r7d

its been a year since i used massive but have you tried lowering the master level in massive?

[FrostByte]

Yes I have. The only thing that helps is when I turn up the attack and release, but then it makes the sub sloppy and slow.

[ehbes]

have you tried a limiter?

[FrostByte]

Yea I have, I just called one of my producer friends and apparently it's a Massive bug. Apparently it's not clipping, it's just massive glitching the f*** out and making a noise on the attack.

[ehbes]

hm thats odd

[e-motion]

I think the OP means Clicking, not clipping

Have you set Restart Via Gate on? Add a lowpass filter? This will allow you to have a short attack.

I think a "longer" release is always mandatory unless you bounce to audio and cut at the zero crossing, as far as I know, I may be wrong though.

[narcissus]

yeah, clicking, not clipping. i've noticed this a lot with pure sine waves among other waveforms when working in ableton. pretty sure what's happening is that when a note is played, it starts the waveform partway through it's phase.. so it's trying to deal with going from zero amplitude directly to some non zero amplitude, and it comes out as a click. you will notice the same thing if you cut a sample in the middle of a cycle, or if you try to loop a sample and you don't set the loop points to where the wave crosses zero.
in your case, you could either try messing with the phase of the oscillator and see if that helps, or just apply a very small attack time (5-20ms oughta do it). i kinda like the slightly smoothness it gives to each note, and 5ms should still let you play 'fast'

[syrup]

Longer attack/release?

[Bedup]

Try the N.I. forum

[JTMMusicuk]

Iv noticed operator has the same problem, maybe something to do with the speed it takes to process the sound? or starting the sound when the wave is above or below the 0 mark
I personally think it sounds better with a little bit of attack and release anyway

[sunny_b_uk]

why dont you just use 3xosc for the sinewave instead of massive?? save cpu AND time