dubstep 12"s aren't economical

sines · Post by **sines** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:42 pm

randomhed wrote:His mum's economical.

Like a toyota prius.

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:46 pm

xirrus wrote:
cure wrote:what is everyone gonna do when they stop making vinyl? better get with the times...I love it as much as the next guy, but don't be so naive.
They've said that they would stop making vinyl almost 2 decades ago.... And as we see it today vinyl is still alive... I'll be honest with you... at first I used to get all my material in cd media or released on mp3, however I'll explain to as to why I focus more on vinyl releases.

Some may say its all about the "feel".... well true enough... however the problem I have with it specifically is the media itself. CD's contain a film that realistically has a guaranteed lifespan of about 10 years. After that the film can and will eventually deteriorate. Essentially the air we breath ends up eating the film, So you would see a discoloration mainly a circular pattern... Its often called oxygenization.... Without this film... your cd's are useless

Mp3's on the other hand... Well like any file on a computer they can be easily corrupted by various parasites on a computer

So both these forms of media are way more sensitive to being damaged then vinyl is. You can easily take a piece of vinyl from the 1940's (as long as its in good condition) and be able to play it... There is no way in hell that cd media will be able to last that long...

Mate I have to say that is a poor excuse, what if your vinyl warps or gets scratched?

With CD you can burn off to new CDs to back it up.

With a digital file you can make multiple copies to back it up to all sorts of media.

I'm not slating your choice of media, its just think the reasons you gave were a bit weak

randomhed · Post by **randomhed** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:49 pm

xirrus wrote: Mp3's on the other hand... Well like any file on a computer they can be easily corrupted by various parasites on a computer

So both these forms of media are way more sensitive to being damaged then vinyl is. You can easily take a piece of vinyl from the 1940's (as long as its in good condition) and be able to play it... There is no way in hell that cd media will be able to last that long...

Interestings points. I hadnt considered those when arguing in favour of vinyl. In defence of mp3's / cds multiple copies can be made which could prolong its / their lifespan indefinately.

I dont feel proud just having defended mp3's and cds. Im going to sit in a dark corner for the rest of the day and beat myself.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:25 pm

At this point I think vinyl and digital formats should be available for each release. I like the vinyl myself but not everyone does. I wouldn't mind having the option when for instance I only like one track on an lp or ep. I do think they should quit putting out filler in vinyl tho. I want two playable tracks for my money.

incyde · Post by **incyde** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:34 pm

umm..... when they stop making vinyl? not if i have anything to do with it. as long as there's people still willing to pay for them then they will still be around.

virus human race · Post by **virus human race** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:50 pm

I like Vinyl cos its hot, you dunt cos your not

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:52 pm

sorry, but when was vinyl ever economical? i've been buying records more than ten years, and it's never ever been good for the bank balance. it's a very very bad addiction, but i swear the music will make you live longer.

serv one · Post by **serv one** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:00 pm

Serrato Scratch gives the best of both worlds yo!
that 'vinyl' feel, with that digital convenience...

if it wasn't for this genre's 'digitalness' (ie.people givin tunes away on this forum), it probably wouldn't have evolved as quickly as it has, and into what it has.

i buy actual plates when i can afford 'em (my recordbag slowly fattens with time), but when i can't, i'm glad tunes are under $3 online, and that i still get to drop the needle on the record (thanks Serrato!)

composite_human · Post by **composite_human** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:02 pm

Enzyme wrote:Since when is dj-ing supposed to be cheap? Debt kinda goes with the territory. 12"s are still the best way to hear/play the music, IMO.

not everyone who is into dubstep is a dj tho

claw · Post by **claw** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:07 pm

composite_human wrote:
Enzyme wrote:Since when is dj-ing supposed to be cheap? Debt kinda goes with the territory. 12"s are still the best way to hear/play the music, IMO.
not everyone who is into dubstep is a dj tho

wait....you mean regular people dont somehow cram a vinyl into their computer/car stereo when they wanna listen to stuff?

LIES!

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:15 pm

perhaps everydody should wear a little fake hand,so the cd in relation looks like a 12" vinyl
problem solved

randomhed · Post by **randomhed** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:21 pm

It being silver and shiney wouldnt give it away either.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:23 pm

randomhed wrote:It being silver and shiney wouldnt give it away either.

indeed

great minds think alike

misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:41 pm

things that aren't economical

by misk

1. bottled water

2. the iPhone

3. gas-burning vehicles

4. houses built out of wood instead of recycled materials

5. american military research

quietmouse · Post by **quietmouse** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:45 pm

Vinyl and digital release at the same time is the way to go. It's funny... I see CDs as being the outdated medium here.

staas · Post by **staas** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:57 pm

malign_ wrote:
staas wrote:i wouldn't care if no dubstep was ever released on cd or mp3
.

unedit that quote haha

as much as i hate it, when i have only about $5 in my card i'll usually get a couple mp3s

incyde · Post by **incyde** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:21 pm

buying records is more of a collector's thing to me. a lot of the stuff i buy i buy to spin. but mostly what i would spin on the radio or at a show would not be stuff that's already come out but forthcoming/unreleased stuff.

i buy records because it's something i want to have and to keep. there are plenty of people i know who aren't dj's (in the professional sense of the word, aka who play at parties and radio) but have at least one turntable to play records on. i want tunes on vinyl so i can go back years later and put a record on and be taken back to that time period. now YES you could do the same thing with mp3's but come on it doesn't have nearly the same effect now does it??? not for me.

obviously not everyone can afford to buy every record they want, and not everyone owns a turntable, which is why 320's are for sale.

sjr · Post by **sjr** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:19 pm

composite_human wrote:
Enzyme wrote:Since when is dj-ing supposed to be cheap? Debt kinda goes with the territory. 12"s are still the best way to hear/play the music, IMO.
not everyone who is into dubstep is a dj tho

Absolutely. And not everyone who is into dubstep is able to go hear a DJ play it in a club regularly, either. It's possible that there are dubstep producers who don't like the idea that someone like me, in one of Canada's less exciting cities, wants to hear their stuff, on the grounds of insufficient coolness. But there must be some who love the idea that their sounds are being appreciated way outside their original context.

beatcarnival · Post by **beatcarnival** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:12 pm

digital distro would seem to be a godsend for this genre that's stuffed to the gills with incredible tracks that may never see a release because they just don't fit on a given label's schedule or means to get it out...why not just have artists selling their own tracks in HQ format digitally, and releasing on vinyl the stuff that a label is willing to put out? It'd be a no-loss situation for all concerned, and would certainly let artists make a lot more money on tunes that might not fit in with a specific label's catalog....

honestly i don't understand the vinyl-only fetishism...vinyl is great, but it takes a fuck of a lot of time to get a plate from the artist to the people, by which time it's probably been rinsed to death by all the bigger dj's, whereas making a high quality dj-ready download available takes almost no time at all....

dubstep 12"s aren't economical

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