this forum is full of shitty threads today

[mikeyp]

i didn't have a job for like six months til recently
can't wait to have some more cash and upgrade my gear. being lazy was fun but youll get tired of it

I'm hoping I'll make it big off my music in a few months so I don't have to get a job lol.

best of luck but don't count on it

[Mammoth]

i didn't have a job for like six months til recently
can't wait to have some more cash and upgrade my gear. being lazy was fun but youll get tired of it

I'm hoping I'll make it big off my music in a few months so I don't have to get a job lol.

Good luck

[ChadDub]

Thanks, Mammoth and Mikeyp.

[mikeyp]

gonna use this thread to talk about sub bass for a minute


i feel like a majority of the producers on a bass music forum don't fully understand sub bass and it quirks me

don't have the link but in a bassnectar interview he described sub bass as being a physical presence and i totally agree
most people don't really have the privilege of feeling a sub how it should be.. but say at a bassnectar show which i've been to a million times, you can totally feel the presence of the bass in a way that i don't think a lot of people understand. a lot of people like to use "harmonic" subs or some shit like that.. that's not a harmonic sub that's some low (not sub low) bass sounds playing the same notes as a sub. straight sines pop subwoofers and create a presence felt like no other. every big time dubstep producer whose stems i've downloaded from remix competitions' subs were straight sine waves. :: pause because i have no fucking clue where i'm going with this anymore::

each note played in a sub frequency has such a different feeling to it. i don't think a lot of people ever think of that. they "listen" to what sounds good and don't really think about how it would feel. and that might not be the goal of some people - they might just be making it for themselves to listen to or whatever, but i'm pretty sure most of you reading this dream of playing your shit out on the biggest system possible.

i know a lot of you go to shows regularly, and if you do you might know what i'm talking about. if not, go to the next real dubstep show in your area. try to get to the center of the floor, and move closer and further away until you find that "sweet spot" where you feel the bass just running through you. notice how none of it is heard. each note has a different FEEL to it. :: pause again ::

coming back to this later

[ChadDub]

Yeah, anything above 90 hz isn't sub bass. It's not felt, it's heard. Sub bass is anything from 20hz to 90hz. When people talk about putting light distortion on a sub to give it harmonic content, all they're doing is adding a bit of mid to their sub, which is fine, but don't call it sub. If that harmonic content is above 90, then it's not longer your sub, it's your mids and your highs.

[Climax]

Yeah i have a big sub as part of my system now. its off most of the time when mixing, but having a proper subwoofer makes it much easier to do a proper sub bass for a track

I agree on dustorting/adding to a pure sine. i think its unnecessary most of the time

[_TraX_]

If you wanna talk about a living, breathing, sub bass, speak no further than Peverelist. The rhythm he creates with them, and how they take over the tune, captivation.
On a side note, can someone please get talking about sidechaining in FL

[narcissus]

yes, i must agree that bass should be made with the intent that it will be felt -- this is fundamental. attention to how different bass rhythms affect mood is one of the most important things a dance musician can know. all other elements must either cooperate, or at least acknowledge the bass's presence, and so it is all in a way built around it.

[mikeyp]

Yeah, anything above 90 hz isn't sub bass. It's not felt, it's heard. Sub bass is anything from 20hz to 90hz. When people talk about putting light distortion on a sub to give it harmonic content, all they're doing is adding a bit of mid to their sub, which is fine, but don't call it sub. If that harmonic content is above 90, then it's not longer your sub, it's your mids and your highs.

exactly

[mikeyp]

Yeah i have a big sub as part of my system now. its off most of the time when mixing, but having a proper subwoofer makes it much easier to do a proper sub bass for a track

I agree on dustorting/adding to a pure sine. i think its unnecessary most of the time

yeah man. i have a 12 inch sub sitting at my feet and it's by no means a production sub but it has definitely allowed me to get a good understanding of sub bass and to feel it the way it should be felt

[mikeyp]

If you wanna talk about a living, breathing, sub bass, speak no further than Peverelist. The rhythm he creates with them, and how they take over the tune, captivation.
On a side note, can someone please get talking about sidechaining in FL

listening now, nice one


sidechaining in fl ugh.
i'm still exploring the best way to go about it

[mikeyp]

yes, i must agree that bass should be made with the intent that it will be felt -- this is fundamental. attention to how different bass rhythms affect mood is one of the most important things a dance musician can know. all other elements must either cooperate, or at least acknowledge the bass's presence, and so it is all in a way built around it.

yeah. another thing i want to add to all this is i think it's the whole brostep/new dubstep thing. now i didn't really get into it til that shit got big and it's mostly what i enjoy listening to, but in most of it the sub is just there because it "has to be" in a sense. and i understand why guys who love the older stuff get pissed about brostep.

[Sonika]

Mikeyp, contradicting your point about straight sines a little bit, Distance explains really well why he likes more resonance than just a straight sine in his tutorial about sub bass.
And Distance has the most floor shaking, chest rattling subs that I've ever heard, so I take that advice to heart!


Either way, awesome tutorial:

[mikeyp]

Mikeyp, contradicting your point about straight sines a little bit, Distance explains really well why he likes more resonance than just a straight sine in his tutorial about sub bass.
And Distance has the most floor shaking, chest rattling subs that I've ever heard, so I take that advice to heart!


Either way, awesome tutorial:

what time does he say that, i don't have the time to sit through it all right now

[Sonika]

Right around the beginning when he's discussing sort of his conception of sub bass and how it should be, I'd say first 5 minutes.

[mikeyp]

his reasoning was so that you can hear it on things like "cars, and ipods"
he used the term "sub harmonics" which we discussed right up there ^^^^ isn't really a sub

[mikeyp]

most cars these days have pretty decent systems, newer ones come stock with at least one subwoofer. that's besides the point.
most subs are going to follow your hearable bassline, for the most part. which, if i'm not mistaken, usually goes down around the range where most people's "sub harmonics" go. so what's the point in adding harmonics to a sub that are going to follow the same melody as your midrange bass and sounds that you can hear?

and when you add harmonics to your sub, you're just hurting the pure sines power. you're going to have to lower the gain on the sub because the harmonics are going to make that shit louder, if you're using the same vst/channel/patch whatever

[mikeyp]

i've debated this on here before and people will still argue against it but i'm sticking to it

[Sonika]

his reasoning was so that you can hear it on things like "cars, and ipods"
he used the term "sub harmonics" which we discussed right up there ^^^^ isn't really a sub

As far as I can understand, it still maintains its power in the 50 hz ish range. And his tunes have massive subs so I think it only contributes to the power.

Then again, I'm not producing with a sub. I have heard Distance on a club system, though

[mikeyp]

his reasoning was so that you can hear it on things like "cars, and ipods"
he used the term "sub harmonics" which we discussed right up there ^^^^ isn't really a sub

As far as I can understand, it still maintains its power in the 50 hz ish range. And his tunes have massive subs so I think it only contributes to the power.

Then again, I'm not producing with a sub. I have heard Distance on a club system, though

that's just how you perceive it. you're not able to differentiate between what you feel and what you're hearing.