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Post by sidesteppa » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:04 pm

+TORMENT+ wrote:^^ scary. Like i said, a dubstep war on idm.


Shit is on!
it seems well on judging by lots of the posts recently....probably because 'IDM' (or whatever) has roots in experimentation and dubstep has it's roots in soundsystem culture (i.e sounding good in a rave)....To be honest Vex'd are more IDM than dubstep to me....it is frustrating to see all the dubstep mandem going on about 'beard strokers' and how music is just about the reaction it gets on the dancefloor.....i suppose it reinforces the point that dubstep is nothing special and just another breed of dance music....it is a passing fad....the real artists will carry on regardless of the label.....MU have the intelligent, well composed and lasting side of 'dubstep' well represented and i see Vex'd, Boxcutter, Distance outliving the 'clownstep' dubstep sounds anyway. They will still be producing albums long after the raves have emptied and everyone has moved on to the latest fad sound....the difference the Mu lot (and a few others outside the premier radar) is they are doing something different and long term rather than someting to last for 2 mins on a dancefloor....

People get precious about dubstep as they are scared of the bigger picture.....Looking at the history of the genre surely the purists should be backing new sounds rather than just repititions of the cliched sound.

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Post by jim » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:14 pm

You chinstroking wank.

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Post by jim » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:15 pm

A boxcutter beat is as ephemeral as a Coki beat, stop being a pretentious cocksucker.

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Post by sidesteppa » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:34 pm

jim wrote:A boxcutter beat is as ephemeral as a Coki beat, stop being a pretentious cocksucker.
So you are suggesting they both last a short amount of time? Maybe in the scheme of history!

Coki has done some serious beats, no denying that!

Vex'd and Boxcutter both don't claim to be 'dubstep' they just create their music which happens to have a lot of fans in the dubstep scene...they are therefore reaching new audiences than the ones who lock onto Rinse, go to FWD and only buy 12" vinyl.....if you are segregated into a scene then you will always have a limited audience (i mean who calls sonic youth punk/no wave these days?!). As a lot of very similar tunes are created in the segregated dubstep scene it is a dubplate culture where tunes are quite dispensible......This means there is a lot of fresh music but it is largely generic and will get rinsed by the top of the heirarchy then come out on TP/promo and some clued up DJs will pick it up and rinse it then a month or whatever later it will get a full release sell 1000 copies and get rinsed by bedroom DJs before getting put further and further into the box until it collects dust and gets played once or twice until it is dug out 10-15 years later at a 'dubstep' revivial night.

If you just do your thing then your sound will be further reaching and will last longer as you will get people buying your album and listening to it lots.

Jim you completely back up my point that people get over precious about what is really just a little scene which will have (or has had) it's heyday. people doing something unique will outlive a scene.

So why do you disagree with me?? or are you too caught up with the idea of me sucking cocks? I could call you a stupid mind numbed prole after all and i would be closer to the mark with my insult i'm sure!

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Post by jim » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:48 pm

Shagging sheep must have got to your head.

How old are you? Seriously, I haven't met a person beholden to the ridiculous notion that IDM is more advanced than dancefloor music for a long, long time.

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Post by jim » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:49 pm

The funniest thing is that IDM is also a fad and one that is on the way out.

Mike P played to about 25 people last time he played Glasgow.

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Post by virus human race » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:52 pm

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Punk started off as adventurous and open to possibilities and then quickly moved to three chord thrash
not so imo...

stooges, new york dolls, ramones, clash, sex pistols - mostly three chord basics.

fugazi, black flag, gang of four, sonic youth etc etc etc etc etc - much more creative.
Exactl. Punk was like the first couple fo drops of water before the Post Punk tidal wave that came after. Punk never really got started until the bands ripped up the punk rulebook.
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Post by shonky » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:38 pm

jim wrote:A boxcutter beat is as ephemeral as a Coki beat, stop being a pretentious cocksucker.
I wish I had space in my sig to stick that up, cutting to the chase yet again Jim :D
Hmm....

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Post by ozols man » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:27 pm

sidesteppa is a switched on bloke, truth has been spoken! yeh its true when it comes to making music u got to do ur own thing, its cool to have influences, but those with longevity usually draw from their initial influences... ie the reason (i think at least) ppl like DMZ, Skream, Benga etc etc are so succesful is because they take their influences from Dub, Garage and Jungle and made their own sound (which we now know to be dubstep), as opposed to trying to make an already established sound... daint that interview with DMZ say how they were all tryna make jungle and got no where???

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Post by slothrop » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:40 pm

jim wrote:The funniest thing is that IDM is also a fad and one that is on the way out.

Mike P played to about 25 people last time he played Glasgow.
IDM is a mailing list not a genre.

As far as slating whole genres goes, the only ones that count are good tunes and bad tunes. Anything else is just e-penis competitions.

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Post by slothrop » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:57 pm

By the way, SideSteppa - go away and read Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds. Then come back and talk about 'ephemeral dubplate cultures.' Like maybe oldskool jungle, and all those epemeral soon to be forgotten tunes that still sound fresh and exciting today.

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Post by +torment+ » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:08 pm

jim wrote:You chinstroking wank.
This is my favourite post in this entire thread. THAT gets a boh! haha. Oh and after listening to the Snare's Kriss Recs clips, it does not merrit a 7 page thread. It really is weak. Still we continue.. sorry kids.

Big diversion here, you can kick me in the nuts later, but in reference to the two going on about punk rock:

Snare's uncle - Mitch Funk - played in a really early, 80's hardcore punk band from Winnipeg called Personality Crisis, who have much cred in the earliest hardcore punk sounds coming out of Canada. I never knew that until it was posted on his myspace a couple months ago, heh. So holy fuck - Snares is a descendant of Canadian punk royalty. Could you believe that!!?? Its mindblowing. :D

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"IDM is a mailing list not a genre."

Did you hear that? IDM is NOT a genre, Idm was only an aesthetic Amen brutha.. that was always my take on it heh. blah blah.

For the record, i only brought up the Planet Mu thing to mirror back any accusation of Snares "jumping on the dubstep bandwagon", or however that was worded. Once again, like i said, if you're a dubstep thug, bigging up yer chest and all that, um.. alot of peeps still criticise labels like Mu, Rephlex, and even Warp for bandwagon jumping on things like breakcore, grime, dubstep, et all. Its a tiring, continuing debate for some.

I do buy Planet Mu tunes, i mean, it is really onestop shopping. And maybe even too convenient sometimes. But I can understand the notion of peeps doing their thing for much longer, and then having a random label seen as rounding up the "greatest hits" of said sound. It happens everywhere, and we've heard this discussion before, so i'll shut up about it now. zzz..

Snares is NOT chinstroking music, i mean, if you ever talk to the guy, he'd never say he was avantgarde. I'm not saying that there's no passion to what he does, but he's hardly gonna give a fuck about peeps on a dubstep forum dissing his wonky Ozzie tune.

People talking about dubstep purism - personally, i prefer the dubstep tweaks coming out of breakcore producers compared to alot of the typical dubstep sounds. The connection has always been there, and I think its a bit more interesting to listen to. You're never gonna find stagnancy there.

Some of this might be old news to some, but check out CardoPusher, labels like Terminal Dusk, you're already listening to Math Head, Drop the Lime, Dirty Needles & BlackMassPlastics were backed by Praxis Records a couple years ago - a direct breakcore influence on dubstep happening now. Rotator from PeaceOff / RUFF RECORDS - Ruff Records rocks, Starkey and the SlitJockey boys in the States (respects), Line47, Werk Discs, Dj Floorclearer & Ebola from the Uk, fuck even Shitmat did a couple bangers. Regardless, there's new stuff appearing all the time.

The point being - the Snares track might very well be a load of shite - but the shite load gets heavier when peeps think the model dubstep sound is something sacred.

Textbook dubstep , get over it.

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Post by relaks » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:23 pm

this thread has really come a long way. Turned into quite the entertaining read! Y'all chessizzle.
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Post by signus » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:33 pm

awfuly shite

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Post by starkey » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:47 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote:did you see the new 140ish speed Duran Duran Duran thing that came out on Mu ? Its got the dubstep labels but its not really dubstep at all. Bassy and heavy though bit like queer booty bass or something
The A side of that record is like.... booty gabber! Mixes in nicely with 4x4 140 stuff.

Re: VSnares.... I don't know him personally, so I'm not speaking for him, ....... but I think the guy is just very prolific. I mean he releases so much music every year.... he's got a lot of ideas bubbling around up there. Obviously when someone releases that much music, not all of it everyone is going to like as much. And some people won't like it at all. I really don't think he set out to make a "dubstep" record.... it just has a little bit of that sound in it.

If you're interested in hearing some music from dude..... you should check out Rossz Csillag, Moonglow/This Bitter Earth, Find Candace and Winter in the Belly of a Snake.... I think I'll always enjoy those records.

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Post by betamaxnomates » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:22 am

starkey wrote: If you're interested in hearing some music from dude..... you should check out Rossz Csillag, Moonglow/This Bitter Earth, Find Candace and Winter in the Belly of a Snake.... I think I'll always enjoy those records.
Yeah, Rossz is probably my favourite album of his - it's astonishingly beautiful at times, while also being extremely abrasive and intense. I agree it can be hard to sort the wheat from the chaff though - considering VS releases two or three albums plus EP's and stuff EVERY YEAR not all of it is going to be quality.

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Post by petergunn » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:33 am

you guys are all retarded

this record is awesome... it's fucking black sabbath with heavy low end bass and lots of reverb and electronic squiggle sounds... if you don't like that, i can't help you...

it doesn't sound like dubstep, it sounds like a glitched out version of U-Sound stuff...

personally, i like it b/c i fucking love sabbath and think these versions kill...

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Post by le_hardcore_chiefus » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:08 pm

seems theres a new dubstep snares comin out...well according to redeye

any 1 heard it..?

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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:56 pm

Le_Hardcore_Chiefus wrote:seems theres a new dubstep snares comin out...well according to redeye

any 1 heard it..?
no but I'm curious

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Post by dustrickx » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:22 pm

love snares in whatever genre
he 's got a wicked way of playin' with sound
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