lil silva / zomby bass sounds? (ableton)

[farina]

hi all

I've been making a lot of grime-ish beats lately in Ableton but i'm having trouble getting the kind of bass sound that I really want. Can somebody help?

The kind of tracks i'm thinking of in particular are these melters:

Zomby - No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tIFVkr6aSw

Lil Silva - Gobble That
http://soundcloud.com/lilsilva/gobble-that

I've been experimenting a lot but just can't get it right sadly. I love that big smeary bass sound on the zomby track (sounds like it has a ton of chorus on it or something?) and the lil silva one is just too hype, sounds like an 808 kick bass underneath a detuned synth bass or something? Dunno - i'm not very technically savvy to be honest so any help pointing me in the right direction towards these sounds would be very much appreciated. I don't want to rip them off, just want to know a way to achieve them in Ableton so I know the processes behind it and can get something similarly cool going myself.

BTW, I'm using Ableton Live 8 so ideally i'd like to know how to get these kind of sounds using Operator or something.

Cheers much, x

[IanMassoth]

Hate to admit I have no idea how Zomby gets that metallic which house synth - Salem uses it a lot too. But that lil silva synth is really really weird. I'm pretty confident it is just a distorted saw/sine. The lead/squeak part is automating resonance really creatively to make a melody. I've made that sound on accident many times but never thought to use it like that.

[sunny_b_uk]

the zomby tune sounds like a squarewave tbh, definitely try chorusing and a bit of distortion with some squarewaves.

[Lichee]

i've been getting similar sounds to Zomby lately just with variations of square waves, chorus and reverb and nothing more, the slightest tweak on massive can change the sound a lot though

[hasezwei]

lil silva one is probably ring modulation or oscillator sync. probably the former tho

[farina]

cheers luvs, will try some shit over the weekend and will let u know how i get on x