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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by Sharmaji » Tue May 22, 2012 2:58 pm

nowaysj wrote:Wub: Business before pleasure: I have been told by recording engineers that bass reproduces better at SLOW speeds. Alpha is suggesting double speed recording, I'm suggesting half speed recording. I haven't tried this, so I can't say. And perhaps I've misunderstood what I've been told.
you get a bit of low-end euphony at 15ips on tape vs 30ips, sure, but it's at the cost of a bit of high-end translation and additional tape noise. Things are thicker and creamier at 15ips. it's not the world's most gigantic change, but it's nice for sure. again i think nomad factory's Magnetic plugin does a decent job of emulating different tape speeds.

at 7 1/2ips, which was the prosumer standard for reel-to-reel, things just don't sound as good as hi-speed machines, but you can get this funky midrange that can be handy for drums, etc when you hit the tape hard... yadda yadda yadda.

actual sub bass translates better via a digital medium, though-- iron ferrules don't really like being re-arranged down that low ;)
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An evening of this tonight I reckon...

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Post by wub » Tue May 22, 2012 4:09 pm

Also digging these videos after seeing Thundercat last week;




More for gear pr0n shots than anything else, but Virtual Boys' techniques are interesting enough, and the whole production level that AlphaPup put into their behind the scenes stuff should be applauaded.

A lot of this is crossover stuff from my Flying Lotus // Hip Hop // LA beats Production Links meta-list from a while back, so there is a heavy vibe on that side of things right now, reckon it must be the weather.

Also worth noting that the Korg Monotron has come down in price to £35, so may well be investing in one of those come payday on Friday...again going for that battery operated sound generation vibe. Was kinda hoping the Kaosillator had similarly fallen but it's still above a ton so I'm restricted to a lucky eBay grab on that one.

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Post by wub » Tue May 22, 2012 4:10 pm

To generate, or rather to discover from within music itself, substances that resist not only classification as music, but music as such. To locate music as a small island of pseudo-consistency in a gigantic ocean of non-music, after François Laruelle. To locate noise as the infinitesimal subsidence of this island into the ocean, much bigger than noise, quiet, sound and silence.

To force music to think about itself, as music. To see thinking about music as distorted by what is exterior to thought, and even to human being. To discover, with a slightly uncanny horror, that the wall between human being and nonhuman is the appearance of the nonhuman itself. To realize that this wall of resistance is a symptom of what the philosopher Quentin Meillassoux calls hyperchaos.

To delineate through this method a working model of causality itself, which operates by what Jarrod Fowler calls rhythmicity. To investigate beats, which break up sonic continua: one beat as the minuscule flicker of causality. To realize that this causality floats on top of and emerges from the ocean of rhythmicity. To see, to hear that there is only this ocean, continually sampling itself, breaking itself up into itself. To announce this inherently contradictory reality in a sonic form as dialetheia, double-truth: p ∧ ¬p.

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by nowaysj » Tue May 22, 2012 5:47 pm

Kaosillator or kp3 will end up on my doorstep some day. First concern is a mixer at this point. I've gotta be able to integrate all this gear simultaneously, using the comp as the midi brain, but as just one sound source.
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Post by wub » Tue May 22, 2012 5:50 pm

nowaysj wrote:Kaosillator or kp3 will end up on my doorstep some day. First concern is a mixer at this point. I've gotta be able to integrate all this gear simultaneously, using the comp as the midi brain, but as just one sound source.
Something cheap like a Behringer Xenyx X1204?

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Post by nowaysj » Tue May 22, 2012 6:09 pm

Bro, I have a no behringer policy in my studio. I fucking broke that policy to get a behringer riaa amp for my turntable (was setting up a jerry rigged tracktor setup) and that fucker cuts out on the left or right channel at random. Strangest thing, I don't have to do anything to fix it, I just unplug and replug the cable on my patchbay... now why the fuck would that bring the channel back? I cannot figure it out. But it is really annoying, and that is what I get for breaking my no behringer policy.

Was thinking about this:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ZED14/

Or maybe a used mixwizard.

I really need to get something going, I've been hemming and hawing over this for way too long.
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Post by wub » Tue May 22, 2012 6:11 pm

Fair enough, my no Behringer policy only extends to cover their DJing equipment...never had a problem (jinxed it now) with any of their studio gear persay.

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Oscar McClure’s ‘Compost’ is organic experimental hip hop grown with bodily sounds, everyday objects, field recordings and an SP-303. Through his use of extended techniques and chance procedures, McClure associates various musical and non-musical materials to form a sonic ecosystem. Both noisy and meditative, this collection of atmospheric textures and phasing beats cultivates the boundaries shared between contemporary improvised music and hip hop.
How these tracks are over a year old and have got less than 300 views on YouTube is beyond me...Leaving Records puts out so much next level productions it's untrue.

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by wub » Thu May 31, 2012 3:50 pm

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The beat scene knows a broad variety of names, producers and people who are pushing the game to the next level constantly. One of the names you should definitely be familiar with is Knxwledge. The beat maker has been crafting his beats for a couple of years now, floating under the surface of international attention for a while. His productions have a special feel to it when it comes to samples and the sounds he’s using. Soul is an immanent part of his music. British radio Djs by the likes of Benji B and Maryanne Hobbs have been playing his tracks on the radio. Last spring he dropped his first full-length album Klouds on the critically acclaimed All City label. Valentin Menedetter seized the opportunity to talk to him when he played a show in Vienna.

You’ve put out your first solo album on All City Dublin.
Knxwledge: Yeah this is an album, six years worth of music. Different beats different sounds, half Synths half samples. Original music, original chords. It came together really well, it has been doing really well. I’m excited to put out another one with the homies. Should be dope.

So you will be staying with All City for the next record as well?
Knxwledge: Yeah most definitely, those are the homies.

You were speaking about sampling and all that, how much does digging mean to you. Digging for records going into the record shop?
Knxwledge: To me it’s pretty crucial it’s like with every track. It comes with a certain amount of inspiration I need. If I wanna finish it. I’ll go diggin’ bring a bunch of records and if any of them move me I just try to work out something on the keys and if not I go back to the records and I usually turn them out. It’s like 6, 7 joints a day whether they are finished or not. It’s pretty cool process.

»A Track has to be to my standards, it can’t be just anything. It just has to hit right; I’m my own worst critic so I’d say that.« (Knxwledge) You are originally from Philadelphia?
Knxwledge: I’m from New Jersey actually, a lot of people don’t know that, but I’ve lived in Philly for probably the last six years. Worked out there and traveled, played shows out there. I went from there to LA, to New York. It’s not that far. It’s a good city it’s a nice vibe out there. Nice vinyl selection out there as well, so it’s been dope.

What is for you one of the main differences between the US scene and the European scene?
Knxwledge: In the States for my steez of production it’s mostly all west coast. There is not that many indie labels that put out beat stuff. So if you are not in LA or at least close to it it’s really hard. But you gotta try and get yourself out there. It’s definitely a lot more love, a lot more love comes from over here than I get from over there. That’s for sure.

If you get down in front of your Mac Book, you grab a bunch of records you pick up some samples – what does a usual day of yours look like?
Knxwledge: I wake up and I have to go to work, regretting that. Sometimes I even bring my computer to work with me. It doesn’t disturb anybody if I make music. I make music everyday, I wake up, and I do it as long as I can and as much as I can.

Where do you get your inspiration from? Obviously you are on a very influential label, All City is known for its LA series with a lot of big names on it like, P.U.D.G.E, Dibiase, Take, Tokimonsta, Exile, so many great producers. Do you get inspiration from these people as well?
Knxwledge: Yeah, definitely. One of my biggest inspirations at the moment is Mndsgn, he’s from Jersey as well but when I lived in Philly we met, because he lives like 15 minutes over the bridge. So we have done a lot of work and his music is incredible, where his mind is at – it opens up my mind. It’s lovely, of course J Dilla, Soul records I can’t get enough. Lovely sounds.

When you are producing something and you are working on a song, how do you know that the song is ready to be put out there, how do you decide if you still have to work on it or not?

Knxwledge: To me it’s a gut feeling – I have to be in love with it to even export it. It has to be to my standards, it can’t be just anything. It just has to hit right; I’m my own worst critic so I’d say that. I’m terrible at mixing but I try my hardest to have everything leveled out. It’s a crazy process.

The making of Klouds, was it a done project when All City approached you, did they actually approach you?
Knxwledge: He actually hit me up on MySpace, years ago. That lead into emails and then I basically sent them a huge batch of beats and we narrowed it down to something like 15, 13 joints. And it came together well; you know back in the day I didn’t sample as much. For my new album I will probably be using more samples, more Soul. Maybe some of my own stuff that I did.

Speaking of the future, what are you working on currently?
Knxwledge: I’m working on something, I don’t know if it’s going to be Klouds 2 but it’s going to be a continuation. Somehow probably have my homie Teebs do the art again. I’m actually working on something else, Chris aka Free the Robots; we are doing a split on All City too. I have an EP coming out with the guy from Circulations; he’s a great guy. His art and his label are influential as well. You know Blu from LA – he’s about to release his album on Warner Brothers. One track is by me.


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Post by fragments » Thu May 31, 2012 4:07 pm

nowaysj wrote:Kaosillator or kp3 will end up on my doorstep some day. First concern is a mixer at this point. I've gotta be able to integrate all this gear simultaneously, using the comp as the midi brain, but as just one sound source.

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by wub » Thu May 31, 2012 4:31 pm

Originally from somewhere else but inkeeping with the vibe in here...
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wub wrote:Varies from tune to tune, depending on the vibe and what effect to the track I'm trying to achieve.
So you pan things differently on each tune? Or do you mean you sometimes go for a muddy 'low fi' type of sound? Care to elaborate?
Yes and yes. In terms of panning, if I had a low passed breakbeat hard panned left (as I did on a recent tune to add some real subtle character), it doesn't necessarily mean that next time I used that technique that it would follow the same rules for panning. Similarly, if I used some stereo/widen/whatever on a staccato hat pattern, that's not to say that next time the same would be true.

For the lo-fi connotations, I have experiemented (with varying success, admittedly) with different stereo placing of various sounds...some drum beats that are built up from samples I find this to be particularly beneficial on. Like an old funk drum kit in the 70s would be mic'd up, there'd be like a pair of stereo mics for the whole kit so however the kit was recorded that would still be a single 'stem' (poor choice of words, but you get what I mean)...meaning basically the whole drum kit existing on this single recording would have to be handled the same way.

Nowadays, when a drum kit is mic'd up, you've got a seperate mic for each part, meaning the engineer can manipulate each part individually...if he wants the cymbal to be slightly to the right it can be, if the snare is to be hard left it can be...but going for the lo-fi vibe as I find myself more and more it gives the atmosphere that I'm looking for (not necessarily saying that it is the right atmosphere all the time as I've already mentioned) when you have DRUMS as a single entity of which you can only handle a single way...

...if that makes sense?

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by hurlingdervish » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:52 pm

@Wub

If you haven't yet, or haven't in a while, you should listen to Prefuse 73's Everything She Touched Turned Ampexian
Its only really effective when you listen to it as an album and not individual songs, imo, though.

From what I've gathered, its a more extreme result of the journey you're on, except he decided to ditch his old ways of doing things almost all together.

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Post by fragments » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:19 am

http://createrevolutionaryart.net/how-t ... pe-rewind/


Make your own endless loop cassettes...guess it only gets you 5-6 seconds...might still be useful depending on what you are trying to do...and a fuck of a lot cheaper than the 30sec-1min commercial loop cassettes.


Also...been reading about the endless loop cassettes...be careful with the ones meant for answering machines...they are meant for horizontal machines only.
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Post by fragments » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:38 am

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/i ... c=93339.20

Check the end of the thread...links to turning cassette deck into tape delay



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Just more cassette stuff...enjoy...

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