pigeon holing...

[time]

havnt read all this thread.

dubstep is fukin whatever it wants to be. do what you want, if you make it think outside the box.... the best tracks are always the ones that dont try to fit in. timeless music doesnt try to be anything, it just is. fuck with tempos, time sigs, twist shit up.. that why i make dubstep because its free or the bullshit that other genres have.

[slothrop]

There are plenty of people doing Rusko knockoffs or Coki knockoffs. Not because 'sounding like Rusko' is a well defined genre and they need to conform to genre guidelines but because they like Rusko or Coki and want to make tunes that have a similar vibe. I don't think it matters whether there's a special word meaning 'tunes that sound like Rusko' or not, it's more about DJs and producers and promoters not thinking that just because there's a special word for it it has to be hermetically sealed off from all other dubstep...

(Btw, I'm tactically ignoring the fact that Rusko actually covers a range of styles anyway - there's a particular sort of heavy wobble sound that is the one that people seem to want to follow.)

[kulture]

I wrote an essay for my course on jazz and blues. Might be random but I put a little bit about genres in at the end. I thought this sentence was pretty cool...


Genres aid education after a musical period has risen but should we be so eager to place these grave stones whilst the music is still alive and thriving?

“It's all music.” [Duke Ellington]

[littleredraver]

I think it's ridiculous to think that someone liking the mid-range squawkers is necessarily going to like Mala or Burial too.

I think you should go and try to drown yourself in a puddle

Just because a person likes dancefloor tracks, DOES NOT give anyone any reason to think that they do not like the more "intelligent " tune.

Surely to have an open mind about things is the way forward, things can only sound one way for so long. Variety is the spice of life

Clownstep is on its way LOL

I said not necessarily, not wouldn't.

But why?! Why would someone who likes a simple catchy tune not appriciate a more complex catchy tune? I dont get it!

[shonky]

I think it's ridiculous to think that someone liking the mid-range squawkers is necessarily going to like Mala or Burial too.

I think you should go and try to drown yourself in a puddle

Just because a person likes dancefloor tracks, DOES NOT give anyone any reason to think that they do not like the more "intelligent " tune.

Surely to have an open mind about things is the way forward, things can only sound one way for so long. Variety is the spice of life

Clownstep is on its way LOL

I said not necessarily, not wouldn't.

But why?! Why would someone who likes a simple catchy tune not appriciate a more complex catchy tune? I dont get it!

Cause they don't like it? Shit, there's plenty of adverts with catchy tunes which stick in your head all day, but they may not move you or excite or make you want it on your ipod. Plus the definition of what's good or not is down to individual tastes or are we just assuming that all dubstep = good, cause I don't think anyone here thinks that.

Actually why the fuck am I explaining this to you, you told me to drown in a puddle

[silkie]

disco-house-garage-dubstep (if u disagree with this music chain post alternatives). if this scares u maybe u should call dubstep disco or dance music. why do people always refer to dnb when talking about subgernes? house is split into even more subgenres than dnb. lets not focus on politics and keeping the music pure, lets just wait and listen to wots in store.

[slothrop]

I think it's ridiculous to think that someone liking the mid-range squawkers is necessarily going to like Mala or Burial too.

I think you should go and try to drown yourself in a puddle

Just because a person likes dancefloor tracks, DOES NOT give anyone any reason to think that they do not like the more "intelligent " tune.

Surely to have an open mind about things is the way forward, things can only sound one way for so long. Variety is the spice of life

Clownstep is on its way LOL

I said not necessarily, not wouldn't.

But why?! Why would someone who likes a simple catchy tune not appriciate a more complex catchy tune? I dont get it!

Example: I like English traditional music, I also like Mala, however I don't automatically tell people who are into English traditional music to check out Mala and vice versa (except insofar as I bang on constantly about whatever I like) because there isn't that much of a connection. They might like it, but they aren't much more likely to than anyone of the street.

On the other hand if I find someone who likes older 2 step but hasn't heard of Pangea or Untold or whoever, I'm more likely to tell them about them, because there's an obvious similarity in sound and vibe and if they like the former they're much more likely to like the latter.

Shonky's point is that people who are into Rusko and Caspa aren't much more likely than any other music fan to like Pangea or 2562, and vice versa. If you think of genres as an 'if you like that then you might like this' sort of idea, then there's no more reason for Pangea to be the same genre as Rusko than there is for either of them to be in the same genre as Iron Maiden or the Fairport Convention or something. I'm not sure I agree with this, but that's what he's getting at.

Geddit?

[OoGuN]

Gotta say I agree with Slothrop that genres don't make predictable music, people do.

However I'm not sure about the argument that we need subgenres to sift through the tons of tunes coming out. Surely the only way to sift through loads of tunes is to use those things on the side of your head? If you wait for someone to put everything in a neat little box and only choose to listen to the boxes you like (Jumpup, Wobblers, whatever) you are robbing yourself. Listen to as many tunes as you can and judge each tune on whether you like it or not, not what genre it is.

Genres are for journalists. It''s a way to make your reading audience think you're writing about something new....

[dirtfunk]

Listen to as many tunes as you can and judge each tune on whether you like it or not, not what genre it is.

Genres are for journalists. It''s a way to make your reading audience think you're writing about something new....

Word. Don't believe the hype, just listen to the music!

[epithet]

I love this scene ive given up a lot to be a part of it and Im not going to let chin stroking wannabe stnuc try and destroy the genre by over complicating things.

What ya gonna do about it ? Bitch moan on a forum ? Sub labeling wont destroy the genre it'll prolong it and allow for naturally selective evolutionary processes to take place. Survival of the fittest. The more you try and hang on to something the faster it'll get taken away from you.

how about this for 'bass heavy 140 bpm electronica'

hyperdub = *intelligent* stuff
dubstep = wobble clones and mid range squawkers
breakstep = funky/glitchy rollers

[littleredraver]

Yes i "geddit".......

However it doesn't mean I agree with it. I just prefer to have an open mind about things.

@ shonky - please dont try to drown yourself in a puddle, your comment just really gave me jip Although if you ever do decide to try it i wanna see pics or else!!! xx

[jonnyrebel]

I love this scene ive given up a lot to be a part of it and Im not going to let chin stroking wannabe stnuc try and destroy the genre by over complicating things.

What ya gonna do about it ? Bitch moan on a forum ? Sub labeling wont destroy the genre it'll prolong it and allow for naturally selective evolutionary processes to take place. Survival of the fittest. The more you try and hang on to something the faster it'll get taken away from you.

how about this for 'bass heavy 140 bpm electronica'

hyperdub = *intelligent* stuff
dubstep = wobble clones and mid range squawkers
breakstep = funky/glitchy rollers

think you missed my point mate, im not trying to hold on to a sound cos i dont wanna lose it,and im well against bitching and moaning on forums (hypocritical though this sounds.) Change and evolution is all part of how we move the scene forward and keep it exciting. Its when the ill-informed come to me and tell me things like you play jump up dubstep or you play progressive house back when I was playing that shit a few years ago. I still play a farely eclectic style but I dont stick to a particular "style". I prefer describing tunes in the way that they sound and one of the special things about dubstep is that every producer is so different you can just say i a bit of distance a bit of reso etc etc and people will know what you mean.


Il say this if you wanna place things in sub genres dont forget at the end of the day its all dubstep. If it splits in the way drum and bass has ie liquid and jump up, and we get all the hating that comes with it I think we will have a problem.

safe

[struggle]

disco-house-garage-dubstep

truth.

[shonky]

Yes i "geddit".......

However it doesn't mean I agree with it. I just prefer to have an open mind about things.

@ shonky - please dont try to drown yourself in a puddle, your comment just really gave me jip Although if you ever do decide to try it i wanna see pics or else!!! xx

I'm not totally sure I could drown in a puddle and take a picture, and I can't really send them on if I die. I can try and drown myself and see what happens

[littleredraver]

Yes i "geddit".......

However it doesn't mean I agree with it. I just prefer to have an open mind about things.

@ shonky - please dont try to drown yourself in a puddle, your comment just really gave me jip Although if you ever do decide to try it i wanna see pics or else!!! xx

I'm not totally sure I could drown in a puddle and take a picture, and I can't really send them on if I die. I can try and drown myself and see what happens

Face in puddle, one arm up with camera in hand pointing down at your head, yet keeping your head in the puddle..... I haven't seen someone do it honest hahahaha

I think ill let u off, im starting to think about what I said logically and your right I would never get to see the pictures!!

Muwah

[diablo]

How bout STFUstep

[tempest]

disco-house-garage-dubstep (if u disagree with this music chain post alternatives). if this scares u maybe u should call dubstep disco or dance music. why do people always refer to dnb when talking about subgernes? house is split into even more subgenres than dnb. lets not focus on politics and keeping the music pure, lets just wait and listen to wots in store.

Yeah I agree with this one and stfu-step

[DJ Mix]

hatestep.

[Soulstep]

Gotta say I agree with Slothrop

But i don't think it would hurt to have added sub-genre searches on shops
yesterday there was 40+ new dubstep releases on juno, who's goner listen to all that track by track

[ultraspatial]

Always thought breakstep was pretty accurate/fitting as a name