Government Real Time Internet Surveillance

[d-T-r]

I know you did- i was just highlighting the fact that with enough people , governments have no choice but to listen.

It's no different here, and to believe it isn't, is to under-value your own potential influence.

"society is the sum total of every individual's personal attitude"

what does your attitude reflect about the society you accept?

[JTMMusicuk]

True, we still have it good compared to most countries though which is probably why alot of people dont get involved even if theyre personally affeced by the circumstances. I believe its not gunna be long before another riot though.

[d-T-r]

a heads up for the Americans ;

http://rt.com/news/house-cispa-vote-thursday-083/

The House of Representatives has approved Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act with a vote count of 248-168. The bill is now headed for the Senate. President Barack Obama will be able to sign or cancel it pending Senate approval.

Initially slated to vote on the bill Friday, the House of Representatives decided to pass Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) Thursday after approving a number of amendments.

Apart from cyber and national security purposes, the bill would now allow the government to use private information obtained through CISPA for the investigation and prosecution of “cybersecurity crime,” protection of individuals and the protection of children. The new clauses define “cybersecurity crime” as any crime involving network disruption or hacking.

Basically this means CISPA can no longer be called a cyber security bill at all. The government would be able to search information it collects under CISPA for the purposes of investigating American citizens with complete immunity from all privacy protections as long as they can claim someone committed a 'cybersecurity crime.' Basically it says the Fourth Amendment does not apply online, at all,” Techdirt's Leigh Beadon said

[d-T-r]

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/london/queens ... -plan/4663

its done now

My government intends to bring forward measures to maintain the ability of the law enforcement and intelligence agencies to access vital communications data under strict safeguards to protect the public, subject to scrutiny of draft clauses.”

"British ISPs and landline and mobile companies will be forced to open up their datacenters and allow the real-time analysis of its customers’ Web activity — including social networks like Facebook and Twitter. The data collected would include calls made, when, to whom, from which number, including when a website was visited, for how long, who an email was sent to and where it came from, and when it was sent"\

"That said, the wider British reaction has been no more than a fraction of a level compared to the SOPA and PIPA protests in the United States this year and last. It’s a shame, considering this bill will be the single-most intrusive act of British law to pass through Parliament in living memory."

[test_recordings]

The reason it's getting passed without a whimper is because the mainstream media are either backing it or not talking about it...

[glenood]

Do you think the Government can trace all the hackers if they have a real time internet surveillance?

[test_recordings]

Well, it would depend on what they're watching and how wouldn't it?

It's like might have eyes to see the world but if you're looking at the wrong place or the wrong time for something you won't see it! Thankfully governments can't be omnipresent

[JBoy]

You get flagged if you're regarded as a potential risk.

[cosmic_surgeon]

The latest No2ID newsletter:

On Thursday 14th June, the Home Secretary announced a Draft Communications Data Bill: http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/do ... 9/8359.pdf (not available other than as a locked pdf) to widen surveillance in Britain. The move had been expected for some time (see earlier newsletters), and was immediately labelled by some press and campaign groups a 'Snoopers' Charter'. It is much more than that.

The provisions are complicated with a lot of consequences. We will be producing a full briefing as soon as possible, and making it available to supporters and the public, but there are a few things we can say in the interim:

1. It *weakens* the existing oversight mechanisms

We had expected a new Bill to leave existing Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act controls in place, and concentrate on defining powers to gather data from telephone and internet companies. That is why we have always emphasised RIPA must change, so that there is NO SURVEILLANCE WITHOUT A WARRANT. But the Draft Bill (in passages that read like a software manual, not legislation) is trying to remove some of the authority of human authorising officers and shift the determination of what is lawful to software. Because the actual surveillance would be done using 'black boxes' built into service-providers' networks, what was being done might never be disclosed to any outsider.

2. It centralises power in the Home Office and/or intelligence services

Current surveillance powers are used by a wide range of bodies, each of which may apply separately under RIPA to get communications data for its limited purposes. But the real-time filtering of data envisioned by the Draft Bill would mean limiting access to a specialised staff nominally within the Home Office. There's an echo of the Whitehall power-grab in the Identity Cards Act that would have made all government departments dependent on the Home Office for information about citizens.

3. It could be arbitrarily expanded

The Bill expects all the details of what information is required to be kept, by whom, and how it will be structured and marshalled, to be set out in regulations. Parliament would notionally approve these, but could not amend or challenge them. The Home Office would get almost infinite discretion to extend the tentacles of the database state, not just in cyberspace, but into the physical world as well. Powers are included that would require postal services and couriers to record who sent what to whom; and others could be used to force hotels, guest-houses, libraries or cafés to identify and record everyone who uses their telephone and internet.

This is a Bill that should not be allowed to pass in anything like its present form. If the power-fantasies implied in it are realised, Britain would be as (or more) effectively under surveillance than China, and a single government department would exercise all that power in secret. We will be asking all supporters to lobby their MPs when the time comes. Look out for further information.

[nowaysj]

These bills are a major step towards ending any potential resistance to total governmental control, though. If you think you can have an uprising against further intrusions, better organize it with carrier pigeons.