Saddest moment in dubstep?

[press]

the splintering into dungeon/bro... two unexciting extremes

I understand where you're coming from but I think some of the early dungeon especially had some gems and there's still some standout tunes now. Must admit the ratio gets worse all the time though and you know it's getting bad when you're confusing tunes for one another.

Yes early dungeon was more inventive and fresh: Kryptic Minds - One Of Us LP, early SP:MC Tempa tunes, early Osiris plates.

I thought it was going strong up until the '2nd wave' so to speak of, around the end of 2011 when Killawatt, Thelem, Sleeper/District and such got in the rotation. Not to take away from or blame these producers, they're still technically amazing, but since then the scene has become bogged down in extremely similar sounding music.

In the same way that early 'bro' was arguably more exciting. Then the 2nd wave was inevitably worse after the intial explosion of Datsik and co's careers.

haha for me, things are finally coming together, ive been looking for this vibe of dubstep since i got into it in 05, i was into neurofunk dnb before dubstep and ive always pushed for more midrangy but not over the top music to emerge so while ill admit theres a bit of samey samey sounding tunes coming out, overall people like Killawatt, Sleeper, Dcult, etc are pretty much what ive been waiting 7 years for. Theres always been abit of this vibe about in dubstep but its good imo that its getting a bit more shine these days. horses for corses obviously.

i guess to speak to the matter at hand, id say perhaps the decline of NarcoHZ and Juju, who was someone i loved from dnb and sparked my eye to dubstep.

[idontreallygiveashit]

DVA kills it on Hyperdub.

[leyenda]

Dunno what's with some of the Hyperdub hate. I'm certainly looking forward to Cooly G's album based on past stuff and hearing that 'What the World Needs Now' tune. Also I agree with Luke Yeah, it's hilarious the idea that hyperdub ever put out much straight dubstep anyway. Half of it could be lumped in garage/grime/funky/8 bit even then.

Also to actually answer the question I'd have to say no Toasty or Loefah releases for many years is a bit shit

[Sonika]

just to clarify, I wasn't hating on hyperdub - they're a sick label. I just haven't quite been feeling SOME of their recent forays, but I respect it

[Genevieve]

The moment I realized that going to a dubstep most likely meant I would hear shitty music rather than good music.

I hate the conservatism and nostalgia of the dubstep scene, but one of my favorite raves was at a squat party at some place in the woods with a huuge system playing nothing but good shit that night. Just great vibes and dancing. Loads of fun.

A year later, dubstep had 'finally' caught on in this neck of the woods and the DJ at the same rave played 'Eastern Jam' and tunes that sounded like it. From then on, no dubstep had been the same. Even DMZ in Amsterdam. It was totally ruined by moshers doing some odd snail tempo form of x-stepping to it.

[leeany]

Even DMZ in Amsterdam. It was totally ruined by moshers doing some odd snail tempo form of x-stepping to it.

Amsterdam crowds are even worse a lot of the time, eventhough it did get a bit annoying during Skream's set yeah.

[garethom]

Dunno what's with some of the Hyperdub hate. I'm certainly looking forward to Cooly G's album based on past stuff and hearing that 'What the World Needs Now' tune. Also I agree with Luke Yeah, it's hilarious the idea that hyperdub ever put out much straight dubstep anyway. Half of it could be lumped in garage/grime/funky/8 bit even then.

Some people say they aren't feeling some of the releases = hate. Only have to look at my record shelf to see the level of "hate" I have for hyperdub

What is "straight up dubstep" anyway? I liked the idea that there never was "straight up dubstep", most of hyperdub's releases fitted the roughly 140 + sub-bass formula. If that's not dubstep, then I don't know what is!

I just took a quick look at their discogs page, and I'd say their first 45 releases are dubstep (up to the first DVA release). Maybe that's just me.

Edit: Of course, they do still release some stuff I'd call dubstep.

[solphy]

Dunno what's with some of the Hyperdub hate. I'm certainly looking forward to Cooly G's album based on past stuff and hearing that 'What the World Needs Now' tune. Also I agree with Luke Yeah, it's hilarious the idea that hyperdub ever put out much straight dubstep anyway. Half of it could be lumped in garage/grime/funky/8 bit even then.

Some people say they aren't feeling some of the releases = hate. Only have to look at my record shelf to see the level of "hate" I have for hyperdub

What is "straight up dubstep" anyway? I liked the idea that there never was "straight up dubstep", most of hyperdub's releases fitted the roughly 140 + sub-bass formula. If that's not dubstep, then I don't know what is!

I just took a quick look at their discogs page, and I'd say their first 45 releases are dubstep (up to the first DVA release). Maybe that's just me.

Edit: Of course, they do still release some stuff I'd call dubstep.

this.

i loved hyperdub because every release was something else. Every 'dubstep' record they released was a total breath of fresh air to me and showed real originality within the 140 + sub bass formula. I loved that. Their more recent output isn't quite my taste, but then again, you gotta have respect for kode 9 for doing his own thing and doing it well.

i don't understand how anyone could hate on a label like hyperdub

[_cheef_]

Dunno what's with some of the Hyperdub hate. I'm certainly looking forward to Cooly G's album based on past stuff and hearing that 'What the World Needs Now' tune. Also I agree with Luke Yeah, it's hilarious the idea that hyperdub ever put out much straight dubstep anyway. Half of it could be lumped in garage/grime/funky/8 bit even then.

Some people say they aren't feeling some of the releases = hate. Only have to look at my record shelf to see the level of "hate" I have for hyperdub

What is "straight up dubstep" anyway? I liked the idea that there never was "straight up dubstep", most of hyperdub's releases fitted the roughly 140 + sub-bass formula. If that's not dubstep, then I don't know what is!

I just took a quick look at their discogs page, and I'd say their first 45 releases are dubstep (up to the first DVA release). Maybe that's just me.

Edit: Of course, they do still release some stuff I'd call dubstep.

beat me to it...HATER!!

[fractal]

the splintering into dungeon/bro... two unexciting extremes

I understand where you're coming from but I think some of the early dungeon especially had some gems and there's still some standout tunes now. Must admit the ratio gets worse all the time though and you know it's getting bad when you're confusing tunes for one another.

Yes early dungeon was more inventive and fresh: Kryptic Minds - One Of Us LP, early SP:MC Tempa tunes, early Osiris plates.

I thought it was going strong up until the '2nd wave' so to speak of, around the end of 2011 when Killawatt, Thelem, Sleeper/District and such got in the rotation. Not to take away from or blame these producers, they're still technically amazing, but since then the scene has become bogged down in extremely similar sounding music.

In the same way that early 'bro' was arguably more exciting. Then the 2nd wave was inevitably worse after the intial explosion of Datsik and co's careers.

haha for me, things are finally coming together, ive been looking for this vibe of dubstep since i got into it in 05, i was into neurofunk dnb before dubstep and ive always pushed for more midrangy but not over the top music to emerge so while ill admit theres a bit of samey samey sounding tunes coming out, overall people like Killawatt, Sleeper, Dcult, etc are pretty much what ive been waiting 7 years for. Theres always been abit of this vibe about in dubstep but its good imo that its getting a bit more shine these days. horses for corses obviously.

i guess to speak to the matter at hand, id say perhaps the decline of NarcoHZ and Juju, who was someone i loved from dnb and sparked my eye to dubstep.

i hear what you are saying, and I can agree to a certain extent. I just miss the days when a dubstep party was varied and exciting. it was the same when jungle came out. tunes were fresh and had different beat patterns, you never knew what was coming next! so much movement and color on the floor. After a time, people seem to gravitate and then calcify around one tiny slice of the dubstep pie and now we know exactly what is coming next - more of the same. I know to some purists this is preferred, but to us who like more than one style it is extremely boring and one dimensional. this is why house? is doing so well right now, it has so many angles and styles, so many influences coming from different places. its still refreshing and fun at this point if that makes sense. there are some dubstep artists that still explore the fringes of the sound and aren't afraid to break out of the two choice box dubstep has become, but most seem to have settled into "this is what it is" mentality imho. it is as you said tho, different courses for different horses. and there are still gems being made both inside and outside of this dubstep box

[cloquet]

toasty's retirement

[leyenda]

Dunno what's with some of the Hyperdub hate. I'm certainly looking forward to Cooly G's album based on past stuff and hearing that 'What the World Needs Now' tune. Also I agree with Luke Yeah, it's hilarious the idea that hyperdub ever put out much straight dubstep anyway. Half of it could be lumped in garage/grime/funky/8 bit even then.

Some people say they aren't feeling some of the releases = hate. Only have to look at my record shelf to see the level of "hate" I have for hyperdub

What is "straight up dubstep" anyway? I liked the idea that there never was "straight up dubstep", most of hyperdub's releases fitted the roughly 140 + sub-bass formula. If that's not dubstep, then I don't know what is!

I just took a quick look at their discogs page, and I'd say their first 45 releases are dubstep (up to the first DVA release). Maybe that's just me.

Edit: Of course, they do still release some stuff I'd call dubstep.

Perhaps I was wrong to use the word hate but people were mentioning the direction Hyperdub had taken in a thread called 'saddest moment in dubstep'! Maybe negativity was a better term to use. By straight up dubstep I'm talking about stuff that mostly was part of that core scene rather than what the music itself sounded like. You know the guys I'm talking about. Most of the artists in Hyperdub Kode9 signed were not part of that core scene. I meant it more that those artists often had affiliations with other scenes like garage or grime etc. We all know what a dubious term dubstep's been and by the time Hyperdub was developing a roster beyond Kode9 and Burial, people were already inventing subgenres and the term bass music was being chucked around.

The central point I was making in that paragraph is that Hyperdub has always had a very eclectic sound even compared to other 'dubstep' labels so I don't see it as some massive transformation in direction. If someone had said about Kode9 as an individual's change in direction then I could at least see where they're coming from a bit more, even if I don't agree.

Also, I wasn't claiming you personally hated Hyperdub if that's what came across. Still...if you want to post pics of your record shelf I won't complain

[leyenda]

the splintering into dungeon/bro... two unexciting extremes

I understand where you're coming from but I think some of the early dungeon especially had some gems and there's still some standout tunes now. Must admit the ratio gets worse all the time though and you know it's getting bad when you're confusing tunes for one another.

Yes early dungeon was more inventive and fresh: Kryptic Minds - One Of Us LP, early SP:MC Tempa tunes, early Osiris plates.

I thought it was going strong up until the '2nd wave' so to speak of, around the end of 2011 when Killawatt, Thelem, Sleeper/District and such got in the rotation. Not to take away from or blame these producers, they're still technically amazing, but since then the scene has become bogged down in extremely similar sounding music.

In the same way that early 'bro' was arguably more exciting. Then the 2nd wave was inevitably worse after the intial explosion of Datsik and co's careers.

haha for me, things are finally coming together, ive been looking for this vibe of dubstep since i got into it in 05, i was into neurofunk dnb before dubstep and ive always pushed for more midrangy but not over the top music to emerge so while ill admit theres a bit of samey samey sounding tunes coming out, overall people like Killawatt, Sleeper, Dcult, etc are pretty much what ive been waiting 7 years for. Theres always been abit of this vibe about in dubstep but its good imo that its getting a bit more shine these days. horses for corses obviously.

i guess to speak to the matter at hand, id say perhaps the decline of NarcoHZ and Juju, who was someone i loved from dnb and sparked my eye to dubstep.

i hear what you are saying, and I can agree to a certain extent. I just miss the days when a dubstep party was varied and exciting. it was the same when jungle came out. tunes were fresh and had different beat patterns, you never knew what was coming next! so much movement and color on the floor. After a time, people seem to gravitate and then calcify around one tiny slice of the dubstep pie and now we know exactly what is coming next - more of the same. I know to some purists this is preferred, but to us who like more than one style it is extremely boring and one dimensional. this is why house? is doing so well right now, it has so many angles and styles, so many influences coming from different places. its still refreshing and fun at this point if that makes sense. there are some dubstep artists that still explore the fringes of the sound and aren't afraid to break out of the two choice box dubstep has become, but most seem to have settled into "this is what it is" mentality imho. it is as you said tho, different courses for different horses. and there are still gems being made both inside and outside of this dubstep box

I agree, which is why I find Oneman sets the most interesting these days. You don't know what he's gonna whip out next.

[TheTornado]

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[garethom]

This thread

Thanks for your valuable input, would read again.

[garethom]

The central point I was making in that paragraph is that Hyperdub has always had a very eclectic sound even compared to other 'dubstep' labels so I don't see it as some massive transformation in direction. If someone had said about Kode9 as an individual's change in direction then I could at least see where they're coming from a bit more, even if I don't agree.

Fair does dude, like I said, to me, dubstep is sub bass at around 140, so pretty much all of Hyperdub's releases were dubstep.

So I guess the "saddest moment" aspect would be that a label that was pushing some of the stuff on the outer edges of dubstep(Kode 9 & Spaceape's first album is one of my favourites, and I run a blog called Night Tracks, you could make a good guess how I feel about Burial's stuff) chose to abandon it and move towards, what is purely in my opinion, pretty bland funky. Not paid much attention to the DVA stuff, but what I've heard from him, I'm not too fussed about. Not making demands of Kode 9 or anything, I fully appreciate it's his label, and I like that he hasn't felt the need to cater to what people might want.

[leyenda]

This thread

Thanks for your valuable input, would read again.

The central point I was making in that paragraph is that Hyperdub has always had a very eclectic sound even compared to other 'dubstep' labels so I don't see it as some massive transformation in direction. If someone had said about Kode9 as an individual's change in direction then I could at least see where they're coming from a bit more, even if I don't agree.

Fair does dude, like I said, to me, dubstep is sub bass at around 140, so pretty much all of Hyperdub's releases were dubstep.

So I guess the "saddest moment" aspect would be that a label that was pushing some of the stuff on the outer edges of dubstep(Kode 9 & Spaceape's first album is one of my favourites, and I run a blog called Night Tracks, you could make a good guess how I feel about Burial's stuff) chose to abandon it and move towards, what is purely in my opinion, pretty bland funky. Not paid much attention to the DVA stuff, but what I've heard from him, I'm not too fussed about. Not making demands of Kode 9 or anything, I fully appreciate it's his label, and I like that he hasn't felt the need to cater to what people might want.

I understand there's been a fair bit of the funky stuff recently with Ossie, DVA etc but there's been a slew of Burial releases recently, an Ikonika album said to be in the works and an Ill Blu release this year so I think that some of the label's earlier sounds are still being represented and hope they will for the future I can see where you're coming from though in that it's not in nearly the same quantity it used to be.

[BonerJams04]

toasty's retirement

[incnic]

when swamp turned into a house label

the decline of bro

the upsurge in dungeon

when dmz made those cokie bro records

when zomby started playing pianos and forgot his dub roots

when four tet stole burials wood blocks

when blawan listened to too much dave clarke

[incnic]

MOST OF ALL ...

when james blake started doing that bloody moaning singing thing about 'myt brother sister they dont talk to me no more'

he doenst ahve a brother sister and the not talk anymore thing is not true to real life