A Guy Called Gerald sends for deadmau5.

[OllieScott]

What do you think about that guy called gerald replying to your rant about hitting play?


i dont give a fuck. esp with the anti-sematic statement about ‘nuking palestine’ ??? what an ignorant fuck. im not going to even give him the time of day. waste of time. let him go back to being no longer relevant.

[pompende]

fuck yes. Gerald is the man. and probably a genius.

this is a whole lotta MEH. a guy called gerald is acting like a chump tbh, he's above this.

watching NBA is the ultimate chump move im afraid.

[wormcode]

Honestly the sh*t D5 says here: http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2569050 ... l-hit-play is not ok, and he should be called out, stomped & beat the sh*t out of by goons at his next show. That's some b*tch shit, saying there's no talent in this artform. Gerald was 100% correct responding & more big names should get on this and chant down this idiot.

I agree people should speak out, but I just hope they remain mature about it so people don't just ignore their words.

[magma]

A Guy Called Gerald's place in rave history is absolutely undeniable and I've never heard a Deadmau5 tune I thought was any good, but I sort of agree/sympathise with him about the performance side of things.

When AGCG started he could probably turn up with a few synths, a sampler and a drum machine and knock out a properly "live" set (everytime I've seen Gerald he's just had a bag of records, but I've seen Dopplereffekt do it brilliantly), but taking an Ableton project with 20-odd tracks chocked full of automation that took days to create and trying to chop it into pieces that can be "performed" live, is basically a massively convoluted exercise in futility... people want to see live performance especially at festivals where the bill is mixed between EDM and more traditional bands, but most modern EDM that isn't Free Party Acid (tm) just doesn't fit the model.

It's the fault of the audience as much as the performers who pander to them really... people are desperate to see "live music", but they're not really sure what "live music" is anymore. Sure, you can wear keytars and have live drummers like Pendulum, but it doesn't make you any less of a tnuc.

I'll still listen to Guy Called Gerald and not Deadmau5.

[nowaysj]

Agcg's comment about using nukes is suggesting that d5 is a tool for the nwo?

[Today]

read the deadmouse press play rant, thats why idgaf what that type of EDM "dj" does with themselves on stage, I like vinyl mixing. It's just cool. It's not that much more involved or difficult, it's got less glitz and glam than a SMPTE light-show signal syncing with abelton's clock, so that lasers and strobes make a pretty flash when the drop comes

dgaf about that. spinning records is what i like to see

[kidshuffle]

fuck yes. Gerald is the man. and probably a genius.

this is a whole lotta MEH. a guy called gerald is acting like a chump tbh, he's above this.

watching NBA is the ultimate chump move im afraid.

damn i got told. tell me again, daddy!

[Genevieve]

Someone's a little pissy that he doesn't get the cash Deadmau5 gets. Why he can't just be happy that he's made some awesome tunes in the past, while Deadmau5's made none?

I dunno about that to be honest. I'd imagine a guy called Germans is pretty happy with what he's achieved.

If someone told you that the thing you had been working on for the past year was wank, you be vexed too. He really didn't need to do this though. Everyone knows deadmou4 is a fanny.

But he hasn't.

People are seriously acting like Deadmau5 is being pompous and going like 'HEHEHEHEHEHE I'M A MUSICAL GENIUS AND EVERYBODY ELSE SUXX'. He gives props to musicians, doesn't consider DJ'ing that much of a skill. He's actually beign more humble than most musicians in EDM, including heads on this forum.

I mean I agree. I think there's very few DJs doing anything special and learning how to beatmatch isn't that impressive (it may take a lil' while and some pick it up faster than others, but it's not hard to get the basics down.. and most DJs just do the basics).

There's exceptions. There always are.... There's amazing DJs who pull of things I couldn't dream of doing and there's amazing live performers out there. Doesn't change the fact that most just fiddle with the pitch control or hit the spacebar.

And I like his closing statement too. It's not the DJ on stage that makes the night, it's the crowd. That's a lot more respectable than some douchbag who wants to get his dick sucked cuz he took the time to learn how to move a pitch fader.

And yes. I DJ myself. And fuck, I don't even like Deadmau5. He's horrible.

[hurlingdervish]

People are seriously acting like Deadmau5 is being pompous and going like 'HEHEHEHEHEHE I'M A MUSICAL GENIUS AND EVERYBODY ELSE SUXX'. He gives props to musicians, doesn't consider DJ'ing that much of a skill. He's actually beign more humble than most musicians in EDM, including heads on this forum.

I mean I agree. I think there's very few DJs doing anything special and learning how to beatmatch isn't that impressive (it may take a lil' while and some pick it up faster than others, but it's not hard to get the basics down.. and most DJs just do the basics).

There's exceptions. There always are.... There's amazing DJs who pull of things I couldn't dream of doing and there's amazing live performers out there. Doesn't change the fact that most just fiddle with the pitch control or hit the spacebar.

And I like his closing statement too. It's not the DJ on stage that makes the night, it's the crowd. That's a lot more respectable than some douchbag who wants to get his dick sucked cuz he took the time to learn how to move a pitch fader.

And yes. I DJ myself. And fuck, I don't even like Deadmau5. He's horrible.

I think a difference of cultures and the words he uses is giving people the wrong impression. If you grew up in North America this generation, the clubs you went to were probably filled with punk/hardcore/metal bands, not edm. People are used to seeing a performance on display, but with EDM its typically the oppsite, a focus on the people, not the producer or DJ. Even a really skilled beatmatcher falls behind a mediocre punk band in terms of showmanship and performance.

and yea, I don't really care for his music, and I don't entirely agree with everything hes saying but there are nuggets of truth in there.

[kidshuffle]

Genevieve's got it

[Genevieve]

Yeah I mean, Deadmau5 definitely goes overboard. He's way too hyperbolic. But I definitely agree with the jist of what he's saying.

[alphacat]

...Been stroking my beard about the philosophical side of live electronic musical performance for a long, long time; I've argued with recidivists who thought that the only way forward was to go backwards and play live instruments while wearing matching outfits; I've argued with laptop-rockers who think that what they do is actually interesting to watch (it's not.)

The only conclusion that I feel I can safely arrive at is that the performance aspect of electronic music is still in its AM radio phase.

Performance is about showmanship and entertainment - lending a visual counterpart to the music being played so the eyes have something to drink in as the ears do. And it's separate from creation of music, make no doubt about it - there are places where they overlap, but they're not the same thing. The fact that the nature of the musical production process doesn't easily lend itself to simultaneously performed interpretation by the person making the music means that we simply have to either throw out some assumptions about the relationship of the two or try our hardest to synthesize the two into something new, which I haven't really seen anyone do yet. Maybe it's out there but nobody knows about it yet.

[Shum]

I love the smell of hatin' in the mornin'

[Genevieve]

All I care about is having fun. If the guy on stage is having fun -- great. If the crowd is having fun - awesome! If they're both having fun, that's even better.

If I could hear one of my favorite producers do a "live set" of their tunes, that may just be them messing around with effects on stems.. I wouldn't care. If they're playing a nice set of tunes and make it a nice experience anyway they can and the vibes are good. I'll rock the fuck out. Not everything is supposed to be a symphony quartet viewed through opera binoculars.

Sure.. some people will go in and think it's the most impressive thing in the universe. But that's not the performer's fault. They're not defrauding anyone. It's like calling a punk-pop band fraudulant because some of their musically ignorant fans think they're instrumental virtuosos for playing powerchord progressions.

This is why I'm also not fundamentally against some dude beatmatching by bpm detectors or using the sync button. I wouldn't do it myself and I may not respect the SKILL involved. But honestly, when I'm on a dancefloor, I'm not listening for 'skill'. I'm there to have fun.. and it doesn't matter if the DJ can contribute to my experience with minimal or maximum effort.

I am against the idea of a DJ putting in a premixed CD and passing it off as their own purely on the fact that it would be fraud, because a DJ set with a DJ present implies that they're actually DJ'ing. But hell, if it's billed as a 'premixed set with a pretend DJ', I'm not gonna hold it against them.

[scspkr99]

...Been stroking my beard about the philosophical side of live electronic musical performance for a long, long time; I've argued with recidivists who thought that the only way forward was to go backwards and play live instruments while wearing matching outfits; I've argued with laptop-rockers who think that what they do is actually interesting to watch (it's not.)

The only conclusion that I feel I can safely arrive at is that the performance aspect of electronic music is still in its AM radio phase.

Performance is about showmanship and entertainment - lending a visual counterpart to the music being played so the eyes have something to drink in as the ears do. And it's separate from creation of music, make no doubt about it - there are places where they overlap, but they're not the same thing. The fact that the nature of the musical production process doesn't easily lend itself to simultaneously performed interpretation by the person making the music means that we simply have to either throw out some assumptions about the relationship of the two or try our hardest to synthesize the two into something new, which I haven't really seen anyone do yet. Maybe it's out there but nobody knows about it yet.

There's got to be scope for live performance to forgo visual stimulus outside of the natural environment in which it's played. The kind of performance that relies on the interaction between the performer and the audience is easily as interesting as the big production. I don't know that you mean showmanship requires a larger stage but I think your point lends itself to that conclusion.

I don't find watching four fellas on stage particularly interesting and lots of bands have bigger stage shows as they have bigger gigs. I think it's generally accepted that we want visual stimulus, how often do people find themselves watching televisions they can't hear because it's on. With that in mind I'm way more likely to enjoy a gig that caters for a couple of hundred than one that caters for a couple of thousand and that's because the music I prefer is way more likely to be at the smaller gig and I find larger visual performance distracting. More intimate gigs can be more rewarding because the performer has to react to the mood of the crowd, with music. It's a significantly more dynamic relationship between the audience and the performer and for me more rewarding.

Big gigs can be boss and I'll take the day I saw Stevie Wonder with me to the grave but even that was less about the other stuff going on than it was about the fact it was Stevie Wonder.

[dickman69]

haha what the fuck, Gerald more out his mind than Deadmau5

[kidshuffle]

After thinking about it, this beef is the EDM equivilant of when Ice T was dissin Soulja Boy

[Sexual_Chocolate]

deadmoose chats so much shit....

[musicandme]

lately i've been hearing a lot of complaints about electronic music not being a "valid expression" because we go watch someone fiddle behind a computer..is that any less exciting than watching a dj beatmatch two turntables, or a guitarist strum his stringed instrument? i believe that the atmosphere created by an artist playing songs that an entire mob of people have come together to enjoy, regardless of the presentation method, is the basis of live music..as long as they' ARE playing/manipulating/improvising/queueing songs and not lipsyncing or playing a pre-recorded mix.

once we begin arguing over the "presentation" of said music is the second i question what we show up for in the first place..

welcome to the 21st century adhd culture, where enjoying our favorite music as portrayed by our favorite artists with countless other fans of said artist is not enough.

"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? IS THIS NOT WHAT WE CAME TO HEAR!?" -Maximus Decimus Meridius

[AxeD]

The nuke comment is racist and that's how it should be interpreted right?

In terms of music I'll go with agcg any day and that's what matters in the end.