What are DJ's actually doing when...?

[OfficialDAPT]

Vinyl has a better bass response

This is false

[Muncey]

This thread is gold. Why do people with the OPINION of vinyl being better instantly get labelled haters of computers/cdjs?

Could be because of me.. I usually come over quite rational, but then I throw the occasional 'everything new is wak' in there.

Haha I'm usually the same but thats due to the counter arguments being so ridiculously stupid.. like most of them in this thread.

[OfficialDAPT]

Vinyl has a better bass response

If he added "in my opinion" to the end then I couldn't say it was false because it's an opinion. But since he's claiming it's a fact I was just telling him he was wrong.

[Maxadax]

Oh dear, why didn't this guy just Google it?

[Rekah]

This thread is gold. Why do people with the OPINION of vinyl being better instantly get labelled haters of computers/cdjs?

The fact people support the use of the sync button and have a computer do 99% of the work for you is laughable. Maybe you like to pay your hard earned money doing something a 4 year old could do with ease.. but I prefer to spend mine seeing DJs with actual skill.. a skill I aspire to have one day. DJing is about music, hence using your ears. Technology, however advanced, does not change that.

i agree with this totally, aswell youve got this mixed in key software now which just tells you what key each tunes in whats wrong with working it all out for yourself and finding the 2 tunes that sound amazing together?

[AllNightDayDream]

So when you guys go out are you watching the dj the whole time assessing his "skill"? Do you judge the quality of the night by how quickly he can beatmatch a tune?

You lot sound fun

[ninjadog]

So when you guys go out are you watching the dj the whole time assessing his "skill"? Do you judge the quality of the night by how quickly he can beatmatch a tune?

You lot sound fun

They kind of go hand in hand. Last great dj I saw was at festival so I never got his name, he was mixing up songs like no other, and the crowd was really cheering at each new drop. He was all vinyl BTW. Personally how quick a beatmatch gets made is not as impressive as how long a beatmatch can stay on point.

[deadly_habit]

for some acts i (fuck forget the term) watch the dj/performer and headnod
other i just brock out

[AllNightDayDream]

So when you guys go out are you watching the dj the whole time assessing his "skill"? Do you judge the quality of the night by how quickly he can beatmatch a tune?

You lot sound fun

They kind of go hand in hand. Last great dj I saw was at festival so I never got his name, he was mixing up songs like no other, and the crowd was really cheering at each new drop. He was all vinyl BTW. Personally how quick a beatmatch gets made is not as impressive as how long a beatmatch can stay on point.

If the beat goes off after x amount of time, it isn't matched. I prefer to just dance, mingle, take in the vibes and have a good time, but I guess that's just me. A DJ plays tunes for people, and a good DJ is one I can musically relate to. Pretending he does any more is silly. You wanna be impressed? Go see someone who performs the tunes. If you go out to a club night to be impressed by someone who can make two records play at the same speed, I don't know what to tell you, your head might explode when you find out what happens when people actually create the music.

[deadly_habit]

showmanship? scratching? what's that?
most of the best performers using vinyl and digital vinyl solutions now could do vice versa, craze is a great example



format means shit, it's all about what you do and your skills/showmanship
if you have skills and talent format should mean nothing but a quick speedbump to learning something new

first ableton show i ever saw was raiden who i've seen before do vinyl shows, and he killed it back when it was new doing inovative shit not just mixing
if you're using digital you really should go that extra mile that vinyl can't

marky with the cig pack under the tonearm and upside down scratching is one of my faves, along with cap j and elbow and knee scratching back in the day

[ninjadog]

If the beat goes off after x amount of time, it isn't matched

Well not perfectly matched anyway, if you have done this or noticed others doing it, every once in a while small adjustments need to be made to get it perfect.

[deadly_habit]

If the beat goes off after x amount of time, it isn't matched

Well not perfectly matched anyway, if you have done this or noticed others doing it, every once in a while small adjustments need to be made to get it perfect.

it's called riding the pitch
aka real dj skill, not matching waveforms

[fluents]

i think if your going to start mixing vinyl is the best platform to work with due to you actually using your ears to hear whats going on, either that or tape the whole screen on your cdjs.

[VirtualMark]

i agree with this totally, aswell youve got this mixed in key software now which just tells you what key each tunes in whats wrong with working it all out for yourself and finding the 2 tunes that sound amazing together?

Yeah, what are people thinking! Using the latest technology is for losers. Like all these new fangled gramophones playing music recorded to a shellac disc, its not natural and there's no skill in listening to it. The gramophone plays music for you without a live band! And its not as rewarding as beating a drum yourself for hours, which is what i do when i want to listen to music.

When i want to eat, i pick nuts and berries. Or i go out and bash an animal with a rock as i don't like to use a spear, its cheating. I then spend a few hours rubbing sticks together to start a fire, i don't want to use matches as its not real cooking. Much more rewarding to use twigs.

[deadly_habit]

technology is great if you use it properly and can back track
if not and you're watching waveforms and pressing sync fuck off

[Rekah]

i agree with this totally, aswell youve got this mixed in key software now which just tells you what key each tunes in whats wrong with working it all out for yourself and finding the 2 tunes that sound amazing together?

Yeah, what are people thinking! Using the latest technology is for losers. Like all these new fangled gramophones playing music recorded to a shellac disc, its not natural and there's no skill in listening to it. The gramophone plays music for you without a live band! And its not as rewarding as beating a drum yourself for hours, which is what i do when i want to listen to music.

When i want to eat, i pick nuts and berries. Or i go out and bash an animal with a rock as i don't like to use a spear, its cheating. I then spend a few hours rubbing sticks together to start a fire, i don't want to use matches as its not real cooking. Much more rewarding to use twigs.

Hahaha your a joke, you obviously have never tried mixing properly or chances are you can't actually mix

[ninjadog]

i agree with this totally, aswell youve got this mixed in key software now which just tells you what key each tunes in whats wrong with working it all out for yourself and finding the 2 tunes that sound amazing together?

Yeah, what are people thinking! Using the latest technology is for losers. Like all these new fangled gramophones playing music recorded to a shellac disc, its not natural and there's no skill in listening to it. The gramophone plays music for you without a live band! And its not as rewarding as beating a drum yourself for hours, which is what i do when i want to listen to music.

When i want to eat, i pick nuts and berries. Or i go out and bash an animal with a rock as i don't like to use a spear, its cheating. I then spend a few hours rubbing sticks together to start a fire, i don't want to use matches as its not real cooking. Much more rewarding to use twigs.

It would be much more rewarding to use twigs to start a fire, I guarantee you would never forget that fire as long as you lived.
Learning how to dj by ear instead of digital crutches like bpm counters and waveforms WOULD make you a better dj period. Hitting sync on your controller mixing your stolen digital files is about as exiting as watching you play dj hero in your moms basement.

[AllNightDayDream]

Well, thankfully there are those who go out to shows, concerts, and club nights to HEAR, not WATCH. If you're looking for visual entertainment I still think your mind will be blown by the many things out there that aren't a man playing two records at the same tempo.

[Rekah]

the way vitrual mark goes on reminds me of this

[VirtualMark]

technology is great if you use it properly and can back track
if not and you're watching waveforms and pressing sync fuck off

Nonsense - i can't program in assembly, but i can use a computer. I've never had to use a washboard and mangle, but i can use a washing machine. As tech moves forward, things become redundant. Beatmatching is one of those things, it won't be an essential skill forever.

Plus, who cares if they're using sync if they're playing a great set. What difference does it make?

It would be much more rewarding to use twigs to start a fire, I guarantee you would never forget that fire as long as you lived.
Learning how to dj by ear instead of digital crutches like bpm counters and waveforms WOULD make you a better dj period. Hitting sync on your controller mixing your stolen digital files is about as exiting as watching you play dj hero in your moms basement.

Lol so i'm a thief who lives with my mum? And you moaned at me for 'personal insults', when i suggested you're either stupid or lazy for not being able to use google to check your incorrect facts.

Anyhow, as me and a few others have already said, i'd suggest listening to music. Its much better than trying to watch it.

Hahaha your a joke, you obviously have never tried mixing properly or chances are you can't actually mix

Yeah of course i've tried mixing, its good fun. I'm not great at it, at the moment i'm focusing on learning production. What's this got to do with the topic?

the way vitrual mark goes on reminds me of this

The kids 14, at that age i hated my dads music too. He'll probably like it when he grows up. Anyhow, thats 2 posts, 2 personal insults. You're really showing us that you're a rational person who knows how to discuss his viewpoints.