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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by Rekah » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:11 am

VirtualMark wrote:
deadly habit wrote:technology is great if you use it properly and can back track
if not and you're watching waveforms and pressing sync fuck off
Nonsense - i can't program in assembly, but i can use a computer. I've never had to use a washboard and mangle, but i can use a washing machine. As tech moves forward, things become redundant. Beatmatching is one of those things, it won't be an essential skill forever.

Plus, who cares if they're using sync if they're playing a great set. What difference does it make?
ninjadog wrote:It would be much more rewarding to use twigs to start a fire, I guarantee you would never forget that fire as long as you lived.
Learning how to dj by ear instead of digital crutches like bpm counters and waveforms WOULD make you a better dj period. Hitting sync on your controller mixing your stolen digital files is about as exiting as watching you play dj hero in your moms basement.
Lol so i'm a thief who lives with my mum? And you moaned at me for 'personal insults', when i suggested you're either stupid or lazy for not being able to use google to check your incorrect facts.

Anyhow, as me and a few others have already said, i'd suggest listening to music. Its much better than trying to watch it.
Rekah wrote:Hahaha your a joke, you obviously have never tried mixing properly or chances are you can't actually mix
Yeah of course i've tried mixing, its good fun. I'm not great at it, at the moment i'm focusing on learning production. What's this got to do with the topic?
Rekah wrote:the way vitrual mark goes on reminds me of this
The kids 14, at that age i hated my dads music too. He'll probably like it when he grows up. Anyhow, thats 2 posts, 2 personal insults. You're really showing us that you're a rational person who knows how to discuss his viewpoints.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by hutyluty » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:28 am

virtualmark i think youre missing out on the fact that dubstep as a genre arose out of dubplate culture.

The whole essence of the music is tied in with vinyl and the exclusivity which that brings, modern djs using technology and playing youtube rips is kind of the opposite.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by Adam Oracle » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:46 am

hutyluty wrote:virtualmark i think youre missing out on the fact that dubstep as a genre arose out of dubplate culture.

The whole essence of the music is tied in with vinyl and the exclusivity which that brings, modern djs using technology and playing youtube rips is kind of the opposite.

Thats all very well and no doubt has some truth in it with regards to the history of the music but, everyone needs to be honest with themselves.....really....how many Dubstep DJ's out there are using nothing but vinyl?

it remains that no matter what arguements are put forward about which is better - it doesnt get away from the fact that use of the digital medium will not be going away anytime soon.

get over it....enjoy the music.

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by pete_bubonic » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:01 pm

Wow, only took 2 pages for this to turn into the ever returning format wars thread. Some people enjoy the skill and application of different music formats. OMG.

:corntard:

Please, please, if you're going to do this argument again and again, PLEASE don't use scratching as an example of why people should use vinyl. It has never ever once sounded good on Dubstep and possibly most dance music above 120bpm.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:39 pm

whaaaaa? i used good scratching examples, marky is more show than skill, but cap j and craze both kill it scratching
i kinda wish i hadn't given away my dmc vhs tapes now that i have a capture card :(

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by Attila » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:40 pm

pete bubonic wrote: Please, please, if you're going to do this argument again and again, PLEASE don't use scratching as an example of why people should use vinyl. It has never ever once sounded good on Dubstep and possibly most dance music above 120bpm.
I think thats where this argument is getting twisted around. People are essentially talking about two completely different forms of djing without acknowledging the fact that there's a difference. The only thing edm calls for are smooth transitions between songs, all these tricks people are equating with being a "great" DJ would make for a terrible edm set (scratching and that stuff, not beatmatching). I dont know why people are refusing to realize that the concept of djing is changing and that its not a bad thing.

Vinyl is dead, people are just trying to extend its life by playing digital files through it which is like dropping a Porsche engine in a model t. Beatmatching will QUICKLY start disappearing over the next couple of years. Its inevitable when 99% of people just starting are using midi controllers and sync. Idk why that bothers anybody though, shitty DJs still won't get gigs and the innovators will still lead the way.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by Attila » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:42 pm

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by pete_bubonic » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:31 pm

deadly habit wrote:whaaaaa? i used good scratching examples, marky is more show than skill, but cap j and craze both kill it scratching
i kinda wish i hadn't given away my dmc vhs tapes now that i have a capture card :(
I've seen Marky and Craze a few times and always thought it sounded terrible and detracted from the show when they do their scratching. On specific hip hop sets or instrumentals made for it, it can be great, but on busy and fast edm, it has always sounded awful to me.


Atilla I disagree for many reasons, almost every one has been discussed before in multiple threads on this forum and every other edm forum in existance. Yet people still fail to get their heads around the fact that a creative subjective artform engenders different feelings and loyalties from different people. It's staggering.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by Artie_Fufkin » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:52 pm

So we've got:
-analog vs. digital
-turntablism vs. mixing
-culture
-convenience
-youtube rips
-piracy
-bass
-health
-individual feeling/perception of a medium vs. technical limitations of a medium vs. myths vs. inarticulate arguments
-technical performance vs. music


this thread... :cornlol:

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:39 pm

pete bubonic wrote:
deadly habit wrote:whaaaaa? i used good scratching examples, marky is more show than skill, but cap j and craze both kill it scratching
i kinda wish i hadn't given away my dmc vhs tapes now that i have a capture card :(
I've seen Marky and Craze a few times and always thought it sounded terrible and detracted from the show when they do their scratching. On specific hip hop sets or instrumentals made for it, it can be great, but on bust and fast edm, it has always sounded awful to me.


Atilla is disagree for many reasons, almost everyone has been discussed before in multiple threads on this forum and every other edm forum in existance. Yet people still fail to get their heads around the fact that a creative subjective artform engenders different feelings and loyalties from different people. It's staggering.
yea they are hit or miss with sets, but craze back in the dmc circuit was amazing
his modern sets meh

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:40 pm

Artie Fufkin wrote:So we've got:
-analog vs. digital
-turntablism vs. mixing
-culture
-convenience
-youtube rips
-piracy
-bass
-health
-individual feeling/perception of a medium vs. technical limitations of a medium vs. myths vs. inarticulate arguments
-technical performance vs. music


this thread... :cornlol:
-w- you summed it up perfectly
a good thread that delivers all and all

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by ninjadog » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:07 pm

VirtualMark wrote:
deadly habit wrote:technology is great if you use it properly and can back track
if not and you're watching waveforms and pressing sync fuck off
Nonsense - i can't program in assembly, but i can use a computer. I've never had to use a washboard and mangle, but i can use a washing machine. As tech moves forward, things become redundant. Beatmatching is one of those things, it won't be an essential skill forever.

Plus, who cares if they're using sync if they're playing a great set. What difference does it make?
ninjadog wrote:It would be much more rewarding to use twigs to start a fire, I guarantee you would never forget that fire as long as you lived.
Learning how to dj by ear instead of digital crutches like bpm counters and waveforms WOULD make you a better dj period. Hitting sync on your controller mixing your stolen digital files is about as exiting as watching you play dj hero in your moms basement.
Lol so i'm a thief who lives with my mum? And you moaned at me for 'personal insults', when i suggested you're either stupid or lazy for not being able to use google to check your incorrect facts.

Anyhow, as me and a few others have already said, i'd suggest listening to music. Its much better than trying to watch it.
Rekah wrote:Hahaha your a joke, you obviously have never tried mixing properly or chances are you can't actually mix
Yeah of course i've tried mixing, its good fun. I'm not great at it, at the moment i'm focusing on learning production. What's this got to do with the topic?
Rekah wrote:the way vitrual mark goes on reminds me of this
The kids 14, at that age i hated my dads music too. He'll probably like it when he grows up. Anyhow, thats 2 posts, 2 personal insults. You're really showing us that you're a rational person who knows how to discuss his viewpoints.
You should just stick to listening to music instead of doing anything more with it. Am I wrong in thinking you have never have illegally downloaded a single song? You just come across as a super young and immature know it all hence me thinking you live with your mom. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:23 pm

i think i said ive seen people using ableton better than djs, like i said its all about how you use it
it's ill when you see an artist not cratediggin for vinyl and double dropping like mad

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:01 pm


vinyl is dead bruv

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by VirtualMark » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:27 pm

ninjadog wrote:You should just stick to listening to music instead of doing anything more with it. Am I wrong in thinking you have never have illegally downloaded a single song? You just come across as a super young and immature know it all hence me thinking you live with your mom. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.
A know it all shouldn't really exist these days, any fact can be looked up in seconds. When i see a claim that i think is incorrect i always double check with a few sources to make sure.

I called you stupid or lazy as you haven't yet learned to use the internet, instead relying on your less than capable reckoning skills to decide on the bass response characteristics of vinyl and cd. When presented with some facts you could have just manned up and said 'yeah i was wrong about that point', and moved the discussion forward. You instead change the subject to illegal downloads and living with parents, two things that have little to do with this topic. And you're calling me immature?

Perhaps you should stick to flipping burgers for a living, i don't think you're cut out for the music world. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by AxeD » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:58 pm

VirtualMark wrote:
ninjadog wrote:You should just stick to listening to music instead of doing anything more with it. Am I wrong in thinking you have never have illegally downloaded a single song? You just come across as a super young and immature know it all hence me thinking you live with your mom. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.
A know it all shouldn't really exist these days, any fact can be looked up in seconds. When i see a claim that i think is incorrect i always double check with a few sources to make sure.

I called you stupid or lazy as you haven't yet learned to use the internet, instead relying on your less than capable reckoning skills to decide on the bass response characteristics of vinyl and cd. When presented with some facts you could have just manned up and said 'yeah i was wrong about that point', and moved the discussion forward. You instead change the subject to illegal downloads and living with parents, two things that have little to do with this topic. And you're calling me immature?

Perhaps you should stick to flipping burgers for a living, i don't think you're cut out for the music world. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:56 pm

format aside like i said before, it's all about what the performer does

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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by Hircine » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:11 am

AxeD wrote:Flipping vinyls for a living. Just blew my own mind.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by ninjadog » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:39 am

VirtualMark wrote:
ninjadog wrote:You should just stick to listening to music instead of doing anything more with it. Am I wrong in thinking you have never have illegally downloaded a single song? You just come across as a super young and immature know it all hence me thinking you live with your mom. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.
A know it all shouldn't really exist these days, any fact can be looked up in seconds. When i see a claim that i think is incorrect i always double check with a few sources to make sure.

I called you stupid or lazy as you haven't yet learned to use the internet, instead relying on your less than capable reckoning skills to decide on the bass response characteristics of vinyl and cd. When presented with some facts you could have just manned up and said 'yeah i was wrong about that point', and moved the discussion forward. You instead change the subject to illegal downloads and living with parents, two things that have little to do with this topic. And you're calling me immature?

Perhaps you should stick to flipping burgers for a living, i don't think you're cut out for the music world. Sorry if that insults you, it's just the way you present yourself.
If I gave two shits about your opinion and the opinion of the guy you linked I could use the internet to prove my point correct with facts as well, vinyl IS better for bass heavy music. You are right about me being lazy, too lazy to find some guys facts about why vinyl is better for bass. Your trying to say pre amps boost the signal and other BS to argue my point, well yeah maybe if your trying to argue about the medium itself without regard for the entire sound system. I guess you must be right and all artists that make bass heavy music like hip-hop, dubstep, reggae, dnb, techno ect. are wrong and living in the stone age still spinning and stamping out records and dub plates. Your taking my points out of context, and you never did answer my question a few posts back why digital is trying to emulate analogue.
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Re: What are DJ's actually doing when...?

Post by mks » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:36 am

deadly habit wrote:format aside like i said before, it's all about what the performer does
This.

Even though I talk about vinyl a lot, that is just because I have been collecting and playing records most of my life. I also rock Ableton Live for PA's and have done DJ sets with it when I needed to. In addition I use Traktor Scratch Pro with with the control vinyls and also have a template made up for using midi controllers.

My whole point is that it should be about the music, and whatever format you use, you just have to give'r.

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Besides, I think we have already solved this issue previously:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=247479

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