Post-hardcore

+torment+ · Post by **+torment+** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:50 am

Soiree wrote:
+torment+ wrote:
That's an ODD LINE UP

^^ yeah even more odd that Moss Icon was on the bill!!!?? i was thinking "for real??" so yeah, apparantly it was true. they did a reunion spot for the festival. hence the live vid clips from a few weeks ago.

they really do sound great tho. for real.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:55 am

what do you guys consider dillinger escape plan or the black dahlia murders?
love both of em and heard em called post hardcore, deathcore, mathcore, pretty much everything but hardcore
black dahlia i can get the metal label with the way they sing
heh i think the DEP with mike patton vid i ripped from the ep most didn't know was on it is one of the most watched DEP vids on youtube

+torment+ · Post by **+torment+** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:09 am

deadly habit wrote:what do you guys consider dillinger escape plan or the black dahlia murders?
love both of em and heard em called post hardcore, deathcore, mathcore, pretty much everything but hardcore
black dahlia i can get the metal label with the way they sing
heh i think the DEP with mike patton vid i ripped from the ep most didn't know was on it is one of the most watched DEP vids on youtube

^^ its kind of the same thing when peeps look @ bands like Darkest Hour - who's early stuff very much still had a hardcore feel it. i guess that's when "metalcore" started getting thrown around more & more, which both good or bad, is still very valid. or At The Gates too. same thing. i used to listen to a local hc / punk radioshow, and the playlists would include ALL of it.. like the newest Darkest Hour tune was played next to Propagandhi, then some old Poison Idea, then whatever was new on Revelation Recs or whatevs, u know what i mean? there was no lines between metal influenced stuff or pop punk - it was all just a radio playlist for a hardcore punk show. the deminator being hardcore old or new.

i used to dislike alot of the thick neck basketball shorts jock rock of 90's hardcore - still do i guess, i can't take it seriously lol - but hearing bands like early Darkest Hour played in the same spotlight kinda gave it a bit more interesting spin, & actually kept me interested. Art Monk Construction put out some of the early Darkest Hour stuff.. NOT a metal label at all, very much a 90's post-hc related roster on on the label.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:43 am

yea i never got the divide, like i never got the whole punk divide with hardcore when it came to like minor threat
i was always a crusty anarch punk and liked extreme shit like capitalist casulties
i never got the divide from hardcore real punk to hardcore
i get how the modern shit is diff, but like back when i had say black flag nervous breakdown 7" and was told that was og hardcore
i never got the divide
i got it when rollins band came about after he left black flag but ugh
genres are a bitch

like i don't get why capitalist casualties are punk still

they seem more hardcore than most hardcore and just vaguely punk

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:49 am

another are they punk or hardcore?

Soiree · Post by **Soiree** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:51 am

prefer...

DEP, was ok with calculating infinity, after that meat bonanza.

+torment+ · Post by **+torment+** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:13 am

deadly habit wrote:another are they punk or hardcore?

^^ LOVE em, i think they're great heh.

maybe that's all that matters. imo, i think what it is is the audiences bands attract. music is music, even tho say.. people in diverse bands might be listening to some of the same records @ home, but the public audiences are largely where "scene" divides come in, right? i dont' know. i think its dumb.

its like a crust fan, a metalcore fan, an old skool hardcore punk fan, or a thrash only geek (ha) all might own the same Poison Idea records. or the same Amebix joints. the unfortunate scenes is where the lines are drawn. i've always thought of it as kinda silly.

scenes often kill music. not cool there. ha.

"..i never got the divide from hardcore real punk to hardcore" << maybe the divide happened when peeps were either for or AGAINST wearing their gym strip to gigs.

or when shows became martial arts demos in the pits. heh. spin kick HIYA!

ultraspatial · Post by **ultraspatial** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:42 am

deadly habit wrote:what do you guys consider dillinger escape plan or the black dahlia murders?
love both of em and heard em called post hardcore, deathcore, mathcore, pretty much everything but hardcore
black dahlia i can get the metal label with the way they sing
heh i think the DEP with mike patton vid i ripped from the ep most didn't know was on it is one of the most watched DEP vids on youtube

Both metalcore. DEP can be considered mathcore (along with converge, botch etc), but that's just a style of metalcore.

And regarding the whole talk about scenes. Imo they just come naturally: x number of bands come up with a new sound, maybe have a certain aesthetic >>> y bands try to copy that >>> need for a name/tag: whatevercore >>> z new bands making stricly whatevercore.
Anyway, the divide is more stylistic than fans hating each other. Kids aren't as militant today; no more throwing meat at non-vegan bands

Sure, there are some militant purists out there who can't except anything other that tr00 punk but fuck them, it's their loss.

ultraspatial · Post by **ultraspatial** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:46 am

Also, Capitalist Casualties aren't really considered a hardcore punk band per se, the kinda stuff they do is referred to as powerviolence.

Soiree · Post by **Soiree** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:43 am

I remember seeing DEP twice, one show in SF with Daughters and PMFS, really sick show!! The other time I saw dillenger was in Portland, with Hella and the singer ripped an air conditioner out of the ceiling and chucked it into the brick wall of the club where this crowd of people had to disperse as to not suffer from serious injuries.

Could u guys please take a sec to check out the mega posts I threw up on the last page4, would like to know what you guys think of Daughters, Saetia, PMFS, the Locust, and the Blood Brothers.

Thanx, cool thread, havent thought about this past life for a while.

Amber Trichome · Post by **Amber Trichome** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:40 am

ultraspatial · Post by **ultraspatial** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:40 am

Soiree wrote:I remember seeing DEP twice, one show in SF with Daughters and PMFS, really sick show!! The other time I saw dillenger was in Portland, with Hella and the singer ripped an air conditioner out of the ceiling and chucked it into the brick wall of the club where this crowd of people had to disperse as to not suffer from serious injuries.

awesome

Soiree wrote:Could u guys please take a sec to check out the mega posts I threw up on the last page4, would like to know what you guys think of Daughters, Saetia, PMFS, the Locust, and the Blood Brothers.

Daughters - never really got into them
Saetia - good, but a bit overrated imo. Always preferred Hot Cross
Planes Mistaken For Stars - I know never liked them but I don't remember why
The Locust & The Blood Brothers - both good bands, but a bit hard to get into them 'cause they're just weird.

Soiree · Post by **Soiree** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:04 pm

Just uncovered a couple old videos of bands from years past, more on the No Wave trip.

capo ultra · Post by **capo ultra** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:08 pm

neurosis

SCope13 · Post by **SCope13** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:34 pm

deadly habit wrote:yea i never got the divide, like i never got the whole punk divide with hardcore when it came to like minor threat
i was always a crusty anarch punk and liked extreme shit like capitalist casulties
i never got the divide from hardcore real punk to hardcore
i get how the modern shit is diff, but like back when i had say black flag nervous breakdown 7" and was told that was og hardcore
i never got the divide
i got it when rollins band came about after he left black flag but ugh
genres are a bitch

Nervous Breakdown was the first piece of wax I ever bought.

And I think the divide might be more about ethos than sound.

Sexual_Chocolate · Post by **Sexual_Chocolate** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:46 pm

deadly habit wrote:what do you guys consider dillinger escape plan or the black dahlia murders?
love both of em and heard em called post hardcore, deathcore, mathcore, pretty much everything but hardcore
black dahlia i can get the metal label with the way they sing
heh i think the DEP with mike patton vid i ripped from the ep most didn't know was on it is one of the most watched DEP vids on youtube

DEP are legit, but Black Dahlia Murder are fucking badmen! Miasma is one of my most favourite recordings of all time, so much technical goodness which actualy works & doesnt become stale or boring when you start to get towards the end of the album.

and what would i consider both bands?

well DEP are next to impossible to catergorize, considering all the different sounds they've played with over the years, especially with the changes between vocalists.

BDM, id consider them to be modern metal, just a follow on from death/thrash metal bands of the late 80s/early 90s

SCope13 · Post by **SCope13** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:48 am

Big ups to the guy that posted Plague Soundscapes....such an awesome album.

_v_ · Post by **_v_** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:25 am

anyone heard the new Every Time I Die album?

ultraspatial · Post by **ultraspatial** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:27 am

_v_ wrote:anyone heard the new Every Time I Die album?

Ex Lives? I thought it was pretty good. Not a huge fan of ETID though...

_v_ · Post by **_v_** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:03 am

ultraspatial wrote:
_v_ wrote:anyone heard the new Every Time I Die album?
Ex Lives? I thought it was pretty good. Not a huge fan of ETID though...

Thats the one,

Been into them since first time I heard them.

Seen them live couple of years back.

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