Snare fills or 'drags'

[immortal]

Im looking to achieve something i can do on the drums but cannot achieve 'drawing' it into ableton

Im trying too create what i can only describe as a snare drag - its not quite a snare roll,more of a scrape of the stick across the drum just before the start of a bar or a fill

Anyone got any ideas on how too recreate this - far short of using a drum fill sample?
Im also aware that this is a bit of an age-old question.....

Ive been playing around with lengths,velocity,pitch and slight off timing but dont seem too get the natural effect im looking for.

Any help/insights on this would be awesome

[Skrew]

Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?

[dubesteppe]

maybe if you gave us an example we could better understand

[bassbum]

I dont see how I can tell you to program something without audio.

Fined it in a song and embed a youtube link.

[jrisreal]

Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?

[dickman69]

y no just sample

[kejk]

I usually sample some shitty marching band snare practice videos off YouTube.

[Attila]

If you find a way to do it without sampling, let me know. Getting the intricacies of those little ghost rolls from one shots would be near impossible.

[Swelly]

i think it's called a flam.

[Attila]

Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like

ba
-da

[Swelly]

mah bad.

[Swelly]

actually, maybe you could try making various snare rolls and reverse reverb it...and use only the reverse reverb signal to get something close. just a thought, not an actual method i've tried out.

[Hircine]

a quick hi passed beat delay could work, maybe hi passing a lower velocity sample and time stretching it. ideal solution, of course, would be recording it.

edit: typo

[Efrafa11]

Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like

ba
-da

I'm not to up on drum terminology but this dude thinks there similiar?
Might help?



otherwise, snare brushes come to mind.

[Sharmaji]

Use stuff at low velocity- vitalic, squarepusher, and Venetian snares all do drags and ruffs w that...

[Attila]

Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like

ba
-da

I'm not to up on drum terminology but this dude thinks there similiar?
Might help?



otherwise, snare brushes come to mind.

Cheers for the video, haven't brushed up on my drum technique recently haha. I guess the main thing I was trying to get across is that a flam is two hits and drag is three or more industinguished hits (in practical terms). Like right before the drums come in on meanwhile by Koan. I usually do mine one handed too which kinda threw off my description.

Haha Jesus, explaining drum technique through words is a pain in le ass.

[Hircine]

koan sounds uses triplets ghost snare hits inbetween 8th note hi hats in some songs, like HxxH+KICK

[immortal]

Cheers for all the responses guys - its maintained my attitude towards this section of the forum - f*^ckin helpful!!!!

Use stuff at low velocity- vitalic, squarepusher, and Venetian snares all do drags and ruffs w that...

Velocity is key - its the spacing etc that im finding a bitch

If you find a way to do it without sampling, let me know. Getting the intricacies of those little ghost rolls from one shots would be near impossible.

y no just sample

Because its something ive wanted too incorporate into my productions for a while and would rather learn how than use a sample

Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?

Drum kit is now packed neatly away and has been for quite some time - space tissues as i live on a double decker bus


Best example i can think of is here



Thanks loads again everyone - would also be a fool if i didnt point you all in the direction of a free mix for all your time spent typing
http://soundcloud.com/stuff-the-brss/minimix

[Kit Fysto]

From what I can tell a lot of that sound comes from the snare chain gently rattling against the bottom head so maybe keep that in mind. I can imagine that slightly ambient super low velocity snare hits could achieve this. Multiple samples of low velocity hits of the same drum would be needed I'm thinking

[Augment]

koan sounds uses triplets ghost snare hits inbetween 8th note hi hats in some songs, like HxxH+KICK

Triplets are so god damn sexy!