Punch a Canadian Emo kid.I dare you.NSFW!

[showguns]

I also agree... its just another thing . it will pass. just like some other things will pass

like... dubstep?!?!! zomgnoes

[echo wanderer]

well there are far harsher consequences for kids these days for fucking up.

i mean the zero tolerance policies in schools, the possiblitiy of being tried as an adult. the penalties for graffitti are a million times worse. if i was arrested now for some of the things i did at that age now i would be in jail still.

the above applies for kids in the US mostly.

I mean these days if you draw shit on your noteback that denotes any violence you can get kicked out of your school. i would have surely been banned from school for all the skulls and death symbols i put on my notebooks as a kid.

True.True.But on that same level,look at how much more extreme today's youth has had to act just to get to that point.How much they've been allowed to get away with to get to that point.These are kids who have never had to deal with consequence,whereas our generation(us old guys)had.When I was in high school a joint was guaranteed expulsion and sometimes even arrest.Now you'd have to carry an ounce for that.Like I say,I talk to kids every single day in my line of work.Firsthand accounts versus what the media says.The zero tolerance policies are scare tatics according to them.From what I am told by the teachers I deal with(including my sister who is a jr.high school teacher),the rules are set,but somewhat "flexible".Not everyone who jumps a kid at school gets expelled.Not everyone in possession of drugs or weapons get expelled.Most of the time,it results in suspension,probation,a parent/teacher conference,and a slap on the wrist.And if police do happen to be involved,usually it's a few days in the hall or a crisis/group home.

It seems that the new laws regarding schools mainly apply to minority kids.They were putting metal detectors,hiring security,and creating dress codes with "minority gangsters" in mind.Everything from sport team logos to baseball caps to 2Pac shirts,bandanas,anything that would associate them with gang culture.And kids would be expelled for this.It wasn't until Columbine that people started seeing that there were some severly disturbed teens in school.No one ever/i] suspected white kids would have a gun in school,especially affluent ones.I remember the day it happened.People that hadn't seen the photos of the three kids assumed it was a bunch of black gansters who did it.As if only a minority would ever shoot up a school and that it was gang related.But the difference here is that when minority gang related violence enters a school,they strip them of thier culture by enforcing a ridiculously strict dress code upon them.But when a bunch of Marylin Manson wannabe,Hot Topic wearing kids shoot a bunch of innocent people at an upper middle class,primarily white school in the midwest,kids can still dress in all black and wear MM/NIN/Slipknot t-shirts,eyeliner,and pentagrams without any consequence.

But I do see your point and agree.They are trying to outdo the previous generation,as did the generation before,and before,and before...Thus the laws have to get tougher just to keep up with it.On the other hand,most of today's "cool" parents won't really leave thier kids in jail.Being tried as an adult is only for those kids who kill or commit a major violent felony offense,not for some kid smokin' weed near the bike racks after school before going home to watch Robotech.Oh wait...that was me.

all the skulls and death symbols i put on my notebooks as a kid.

I think if we went to high school together,we'd have gotten along famously.Provided you didn't beat me up!

[echo wanderer]

I don't like people lumping Ian Curtis in with this Emo shit, though.

Yeah.There is a difference between epilespsy,marital problems,not knowing how to get close to your own daughter,and phobia as opposed to seeing your girlfriend kissing another guy AFTER you broke up three months ago.

[two oh one]

Some people are depressed, or have severe mental/emotional problems and it comes across in their music. Hell, most artists spend a lot of time depressed and it just kinda goes with the territory, regardless of if your music is miserable or not.

This whole emo thing seems to be more of a fashion statement and affectation that has come about through corporate/press labelling. It's selling big, and sadly, it appears to be selling itself mostly to teens who are pretty fragile and susceptible to suggestion at that stage in life.

But then again, most music is aimed at teens because they're so damn gullible and feel sorry for themselves 90% of the time.



But, heck. It'll blow over. It's either a prolonged trend and it will morph into something that doesn't even resemble its previous incarnation.

I don't like people lumping Goths and Ian Curtis in with this Emo shit, though. Ian and the Goths are forever.


Sadstep.

you don't like it i can understand that - i was merely using it as an example to illustrate how abstract the concept of emo is - but i bet you anything people would call Ian Curtis emo now if he were doing what he did then now.

I also agree... its just another thing . it will pass. just like some other things will pass

Nah, sorry mate. I understand what you're saying. Those that be might easily lump Ian in with Emo if he were around today. That's the fuggered up thing, innit? It's weird.

The thing I don't like about Emo is that it just appears to be so self-consciously styled. It's too aware of itself somehow, and just doesn't seem quite 'real'. If I could be bothered to dig into its past, it probably started with good intentions, or probably no intentions at all. Fffft.

Most things come to pass, sadly. Sometimes, things change but the labels remain. Things become meaningless when that happened. Trance in 1992 is a world apart from the embarrassing cheesy shitstorm that exploded in around 1995.

Similarly, Emo kinda came from Hardcore originally, didn't it? Hardcore Punk is about moshpits, STDs and hitting each other in the mouth with bottles. For fun.

[two oh one]

I also agree... its just another thing . it will pass. just like some other things will pass

like... dubstep?!?!! zomgnoes

If the people that hold this scene together refuse to fragment into splinter groups/sub-genres and keep innovating and exploring whatever sound they like, it'll be fine. For at least another year.

[misk]

@ this thread: tl;dr.



I was quite a loser in high school. such a loser in fact, that this girl probably wouldn't have even talked to me. Some people i knew from high school found out i make music, and their response was shock. Shocked that i would ever be that cool (what a joke, huh?). Definitely not making fun of her. I just think shes ridiculous, as i am entitled to.

also, the people i know that were like her, are still like her. I'm 25 and i meet people that are melodrama addicts on a regular basis. its pathetic, and they need to learn how to get a grip.

Hopefully she'll grow up to be a well adjusted human being, free of "mental illness", whatever that means.

i respect all of your opinions regarding this, unless you disagree with me, in which case i dont respect you whatsoever, and you should probably change your stance on this topic so as to be more in line with my own beliefs, which are right.

*sigh* this is the internet. who cares about this girl and what she believes. My cat got bit by a rattlesnake, thats more important to me.

[misk]

I also agree... its just another thing . it will pass. just like some other things will pass

like... dubstep?!?!! zomgnoes

If the people that hold this scene together refuse to fragment into splinter groups/sub-genres and keep innovating and exploring whatever sound they like, it'll be fine. For at least another year.

attention spans get shorter and shorter as the years go by.

[echo wanderer]

I also agree... its just another thing . it will pass. just like some other things will pass

like... dubstep?!?!! zomgnoes

If the people that hold this scene together refuse to fragment into splinter groups/sub-genres and keep innovating and exploring whatever sound they like, it'll be fine. For at least another year.

attention spans get shorter and shorter as the years go by.

It's all about Nu Rave.

[two oh one]

I also agree... its just another thing . it will pass. just like some other things will pass

like... dubstep?!?!! zomgnoes

If the people that hold this scene together refuse to fragment into splinter groups/sub-genres and keep innovating and exploring whatever sound they like, it'll be fine. For at least another year.

attention spans get shorter and shorter as the years go by.

Yep.

The safest music is ugly music. Ugly music never becomes popular. Unless NME says it is, of course. Then people will be all over it until they're told not to.

I guess the overall trick for musical longevity is not to hand any control over to the press. Keep them at arms length and keep them guessing. Or not.

The other trick is not to let this happen:

[paolo]

How is this nsfw? She didn't get her boobs out

[*grand*]

i would like to punch my ex girl freind for turning me into an emo.... rant over.

[*grand*]

ok after watchign that she never made me an emo.. just a little bit upset.. god damn i felt to punch her, not becuase shes part of a giant movement, but because she was an annoying tard..... poor lass, its only a phase dont worry about it she will grow up, if not well..

[neverwhenus]

spam-zap!!

[misk]

spam-zap!!


@ Misk - best not to quote spam posts mate. Cheers, Mods.

[tru_g]

Everyone is defending this girl saying reh teh teh she is an agry teenager, but all teenagers are angry...yet most of them dont dress like complete stnuc and listen to some of the most awful music in history - like emos

[misk]

noted mods.. scared the shit outta me to see my name next to something i didnt type!

[echo wanderer]

How is this nsfw? She didn't get her boobs out

I put that because of the adverts in the background.I didn't want anyone gettin' shitcanned over it.

[deamonds]

She's fit.

big up lolololol

[municiple]

big up dem yoots.

[marty]

Similarly, Emo kinda came from Hardcore originally, didn't it? Hardcore Punk is about moshpits, STDs and hitting each other in the mouth with bottles. For fun.

i don't want to comment on this girl but on emo generally...
emo nowadays is so far away from its roots. wasn't it originally "intended" to show a way other than the taking-over machoism in the hardcore scene? back in time when bands like the get up kids and jimmy eats world got too much media attention everything went down the drain (at least IMHO).

nice quote from guy picciotto of rites of spring and later fugazi fame:

"I've never recognized ‚emo‘ as a genre of music. I always thought it was the most retarded term ever. I know there is this generic commonplace that every band that gets labeled with that term hates it. They feel scandalized by it. But honestly, I just thought that all the bands I played in were punk rock bands. The reason I think it's so stupid is that - what, like the Bad Brains weren't emotional? What - they were robots or something? It just doesn't make any sense to me."