My Patchbay is Screwed Up!

[mks]

So yeah, its probably just me when I wired it up. I wired it up several months ago but didn't test everything out to be honest. I went back to uni and didn't have a lot of time to produce. When I did, I realized all of my connections were messed up.

I forgot about the normalled / half-normalled ting. I was trying to make it do things I hadn't tried out before.

Its a bitch trying to rewire the patchbay!!

[mks]

My patchbay Kung-Fu is weak.

This probably makes no sense to those that just work in the box.

I guess my patchbay is all half-normalled by default but a lot of the connections I want to do should be normalled? Shit.

[paradigm_x]

patchybays confuse the bejesus out of me.

ive got three 48 way ones(!!!( im just wiring up now, one for the 24 line ins, one for the 24 tape ins, and one for all the effects and synths. its a COMPLETE BITCH BUT WILL HOPEFULLY (oops) save so much time later on.

the behringer ones have a nice picture on top to let me know where to plug stuff. had a quick google but cant find. can photo it later if useful?

afaik, half normalled is generally the most useful ...

with insert loops it gets even more confusing...

ill bet you an MKS synth that were the only ones here with one....

[deadly_habit]

you owe him a mks synth
i swear it takes more time figuring out the normalized, half normalized and planning it out than the actual wiring itself

[Sharmaji]

i'll take the synth as well.

half-normalled is definitely the way to go.

protip-- get yourself a rack-mount line mixer and run all your synths into THAT-- then run that, just in stereo, into the patchbay. solo the synths if you need to when you're bouncing, otherwise-- much much easier to manage than having all those output points on the PB.

[paradigm_x]

yeah decided it was a bad bet not long after posting.



As soon as ui get a couple of MKS's ill send em over.

i swear it takes more time figuring out the normalized, half normalized and planning it out than the actual wiring itself

yeah, ive got a book with it all written/drawn out

Going to try tand do at least the bulk of it tonight, got my wife on board, some wine and some shrubbery...

[AxeD]

I guess my patchbay is all half-normalled by default but a lot of the connections I want to do should be normalled? Shit.

We've got peeps wiring that schnat up at the studios, so I don't know all the ins and outs (bantam pun).
But that's definitely something to keep in mind when wiring it.

[deadly_habit]

yeah decided it was a bad bet not long after posting.



As soon as ui get a couple of MKS's ill send em over.

i swear it takes more time figuring out the normalized, half normalized and planning it out than the actual wiring itself

yeah, ive got a book with it all written/drawn out

Going to try tand do at least the bulk of it tonight, got my wife on board, some wine and some shrubbery...

heh yeah mine is all laid out in a notebook

[mks]

Thanks for all of the advice.

After doing some research, I realized for what I am trying to do I will need a non-normalled or isolated configuration. Which means I'm going to completely re-wire this bitch and I need to flip the cards over in my patchbay (Furman PB-48).

I also made some bad design decisions when I rebuilt this studio by placing the midi patchbay directly underneath the audio patchbay thereby blocking off the easiest access point by a wall of midi cables. It looks like I have my work cut out for me today.

Hopefully I do this right this time because it will make it easier in the long run. Where I have my studio set up is in a tight space where I really have no access to the back of the rack without moving a bunch of keyboards out of the way.

Cheers!

[Depone]

sooooo glad I have never had to wire my own!!!

I feels bro I feels...

[SKIN E]

I've wired one up in the studio before, I was basically the wire monkey though and just had to listen to clear instructions, didn't seem to difficult at that time!

[paradigm_x]

So, for the record and for those interested, last night i wired in 76 jacks into my mixer, 24 line ins, 24 tape outs, 24 tape ins, 4 aux sends.
6 dsubs into the mackie (easy!)
24 line outs of pathcbay 1 into 24 line ins on mixer.
5 outs of 606 and 10 outs of 909 plus blofed, akai ax73, shurthi, into pathcbay1

all fine until tested.
something F'in weird going on.



after a nights sleep and another play, and a bit of thought, ive realised allt he dsub snakes ive bought are labelled worng, 1=8, 2=7 etc. now got 48 to rewire



FFS bought snakes (£180 as well) tomake life easier

man there is so much to ITB id come to take for granted (and vice verca, so much OTB thats a pain id forgotten about).

so got 48 jacks to rewire, all the effects units and compressors, and all the midi and power still to do. jeez. underestimatedit. running out of leads too, going to have to make some more, ive got a few jack plugs left (tons of cable), after that itll have to wait, uber skint

however, when its done it will be bullet proof and very flexible.

ive decided agaisnt one of the three patchbays, at some point its more trouble than its worth (double the cables) for the 24 tape ins, any line in which goes to the tape outs can be ptched so same thing really, ones just post eq, whatever. so might have a spare. just got one running the 24 line ins, and one running all the effects sends and returns (flexibility for dubbing!).

cheers

[collective]

I am wiring two 96 point bantams right now... such a fucking bitch.


but once its done the workflow and ease of creating sounds in almost a modular fashion is brilliant. Its nice to be able to to utilize every piece of gear in the studio at once if you want to.

[collective]

So, for the record and for those interested, last night i wired in 76 jacks into my mixer, 24 line ins, 24 tape outs, 24 tape ins, 4 aux sends.
6 dsubs into the mackie (easy!)
24 line outs of pathcbay 1 into 24 line ins on mixer.
5 outs of 606 and 10 outs of 909 plus blofed, akai ax73, shurthi, into pathcbay1

all fine until tested.
something F'in weird going on.



after a nights sleep and another play, and a bit of thought, ive realised allt he dsub snakes ive bought are labelled worng, 1=8, 2=7 etc. now got 48 to rewire



FFS bought snakes (£180 as well) tomake life easier

man there is so much to ITB id come to take for granted (and vice verca, so much OTB thats a pain id forgotten about).

so got 48 jacks to rewire, all the effects units and compressors, and all the midi and power still to do. jeez. underestimatedit. running out of leads too, going to have to make some more, ive got a few jack plugs left (tons of cable), after that itll have to wait, uber skint

however, when its done it will be bullet proof and very flexible.

ive decided agaisnt one of the three patchbays, at some point its more trouble than its worth (double the cables) for the 24 tape ins, any line in which goes to the tape outs can be ptched so same thing really, ones just post eq, whatever. so might have a spare. just got one running the 24 line ins, and one running all the effects sends and returns (flexibility for dubbing!).

cheers

Hey on the snake thing, an engineer I met through fantasy studios (sf - brubeck, miles etc) started his own cable company doing custom cables. You should reach out if you have something you need but cant find, prices are great and I stocked my studio with them. I was looking at all sorts of custom cabling and this was the best price and quality-wise surprisingly. Get ahold of me personally and ill put you in touch with him, he does not do this on a commercial basis, kind insures quality.

I guess this goes for anyone looking for custom cabling of any sort, i have had some really obscure things made for half the price someone like those whores at mogami would charge and better build.

Also, what tape you running out to? 24/24 is interesting, you got something that big? (thinking 2inch studer... but that'd be quit the purchase)

[deadly_habit]

snakes are a godsend when doing patchbays

[Mad_EP]

I'm not gonna lie... I went to recording engineering school... and even at my height, I found wiring patchbays to be a bitch. Awesome when they work, the DEVIL when they don't.

So I have opted to keep it unreal in my studio for the moment. I don't have enough OTB to *necessitate* a patchbay... but when the day comes that I can't put it off any longer, I'll pay to fly Sharmaji out to wire it for me.. and it will be a double bonus cos we can kick it and jam and all sorts.

[Sharmaji]

haha-- i'll fwd the ticket to my buddy who's a whiz at soldering and will build you a custom TT bay. though not for cheap.

tbh part of the reason i sold my trident s100 was that i was sick of having 3xd-subs that would always go faulty, running into yet another patchbay...

i'll never, ever buy a patchbay w/ plastic parts ever again, either. oh the stupid mistakes you make when you're young.

anyone need a 4x8 insert snake? TRS to TS/TS...

[Mad_EP]

haha-- i'll fwd the ticket to my buddy who's a whiz at soldering and will build you a custom TT bay. though not for cheap.

lol - like flying anyone out from the States to the UK for the sole purpose of wiring a patchbay would be would be cheap in the slightest!!


hahahaha


** but really, like i would ever have the money to do it anyway.

[collective]

I'm not gonna lie... I went to recording engineering school... and even at my height, I found wiring patchbays to be a bitch. Awesome when they work, the DEVIL when they don't.

So I have opted to keep it unreal in my studio for the moment. I don't have enough OTB to *necessitate* a patchbay... but when the day comes that I can't put it off any longer, I'll pay to fly Sharmaji out to wire it for me.. and it will be a double bonus cos we can kick it and jam and all sorts.

oh come on i am patching 192 points of TT patchbays, its not that bad

ahaha (yes its a bitch)

[paradigm_x]

anyone need a 4x8 insert snake? TRS to TS/TS...

that would come in handy, shame ur in the us.

are two decent quality gold trs-xlr leads any use to ya? not hugely long, 1m i think?. could swap maybe?