How did "Pop" basically become Electro House/Trance

[zerbaman]

Hudmo makes beats for Kanye.
Flylo Makes beats for Erykah Badu.
Machinedrum makes beats for that chick Lunice makes beats for.
Burial worked with Thom York.


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[Brian Oblivion]

I would say a good 50% of people don't really have any taste in music and have never made an effort to expand on their musical tastes beyond what is fed to them by Radio 1.
Which is sad
But I suppose they just aren't into it. I find this kind of weird since if I am sitting listening to a good tune by myself I can find the music makes my whole body react, I get goosebumps, a sense of euphoria, its something that no other art form delivers to me. It's like a drug

I think that's a very common and unfortunate misunderstanding round these parts. They ARE into the music, they just might not be into it the same way as you are or into the same sort of stuff that you like listening to. They might just want something in the background to liven up their days a little, have a bit of jolly good fun while slightly drunk on the dancefloor, etc. One man's meat is another man's poison.

They probably can't understand why we would choose to listen to what we do either. Neither would your typical lover of classical, country & western, psytrance or folk. Everyone reacts to music differently. Accept the differences and learn to have a good time no matter what music you're listening to.

I think there's some truth in what both of you are saying.

[hugh]

I would say a good 50% of people don't really have any taste in music and have never made an effort to expand on their musical tastes beyond what is fed to them by Radio 1.
Which is sad
But I suppose they just aren't into it. I find this kind of weird since if I am sitting listening to a good tune by myself I can find the music makes my whole body react, I get goosebumps, a sense of euphoria, its something that no other art form delivers to me. It's like a drug

I think that's a very common and unfortunate misunderstanding round these parts. They ARE into the music, they just might not be into it the same way as you are or into the same sort of stuff that you like listening to. They might just want something in the background to liven up their days a little, have a bit of jolly good fun while slightly drunk on the dancefloor, etc. One man's meat is another man's poison.

They probably can't understand why we would choose to listen to what we do either. Neither would your typical lover of classical, country & western, psytrance or folk. Everyone reacts to music differently. Accept the differences and learn to have a good time no matter what music you're listening to.

I think there's some truth in what both of you are saying.

he's describing people who have different tastes in music, I am describing people with NO taste in music, which I still hold is true. I have spoken to many many people in my life who simply describe their music taste as "whatever is in the charts/whatever/I dont really listen to music/I don't care". Most of these people are women.
These people do not have a taste in music, full stop.

[zerbaman]

Throw the part about women in there... For good measure.

[hugh]

just speaking from personal experience, nothing was meant to cause offence.

[Terpit]

Hugh hates women!!!

[kay]

I would say a good 50% of people don't really have any taste in music and have never made an effort to expand on their musical tastes beyond what is fed to them by Radio 1.
Which is sad
But I suppose they just aren't into it. I find this kind of weird since if I am sitting listening to a good tune by myself I can find the music makes my whole body react, I get goosebumps, a sense of euphoria, its something that no other art form delivers to me. It's like a drug

I think that's a very common and unfortunate misunderstanding round these parts. They ARE into the music, they just might not be into it the same way as you are or into the same sort of stuff that you like listening to. They might just want something in the background to liven up their days a little, have a bit of jolly good fun while slightly drunk on the dancefloor, etc. One man's meat is another man's poison.

They probably can't understand why we would choose to listen to what we do either. Neither would your typical lover of classical, country & western, psytrance or folk. Everyone reacts to music differently. Accept the differences and learn to have a good time no matter what music you're listening to.

I think there's some truth in what both of you are saying.

he's describing people who have different tastes in music, I am describing people with NO taste in music, which I still hold is true. I have spoken to many many people in my life who simply describe their music taste as "whatever is in the charts/whatever/I dont really listen to music/I don't care". Most of these people are women.
These people do not have a taste in music, full stop.

I think there's a difference between "I don't care about music" and "no taste in music" though. Like I don't care about football, but I do watch the occasional match and some are better than others. I think that people who like chart music simply have tastes in that direction. I quite like some chart music, simply for good fun and easy listening. Not every listening experience has to be groundbreaking, lifechanging or special. If they enjoy it, then they enjoy it, why comment about whether they have taste or not?

It might just be me being quite moderate in most of my opinions, especially when it comes to judging people's tastes.

[hugh]

Hugh hates women!!!

lies, I hate everyone in equal measure

[hugh]

I would say a good 50% of people don't really have any taste in music and have never made an effort to expand on their musical tastes beyond what is fed to them by Radio 1.
Which is sad
But I suppose they just aren't into it. I find this kind of weird since if I am sitting listening to a good tune by myself I can find the music makes my whole body react, I get goosebumps, a sense of euphoria, its something that no other art form delivers to me. It's like a drug

I think that's a very common and unfortunate misunderstanding round these parts. They ARE into the music, they just might not be into it the same way as you are or into the same sort of stuff that you like listening to. They might just want something in the background to liven up their days a little, have a bit of jolly good fun while slightly drunk on the dancefloor, etc. One man's meat is another man's poison.

They probably can't understand why we would choose to listen to what we do either. Neither would your typical lover of classical, country & western, psytrance or folk. Everyone reacts to music differently. Accept the differences and learn to have a good time no matter what music you're listening to.

I think there's some truth in what both of you are saying.

he's describing people who have different tastes in music, I am describing people with NO taste in music, which I still hold is true. I have spoken to many many people in my life who simply describe their music taste as "whatever is in the charts/whatever/I dont really listen to music/I don't care". Most of these people are women.
These people do not have a taste in music, full stop.

I think there's a difference between "I don't care about music" and "no taste in music" though. Like I don't care about football, but I do watch the occasional match and some are better than others. I think that people who like chart music simply have tastes in that direction. I quite like some chart music, simply for good fun and easy listening. Not every listening experience has to be groundbreaking, lifechanging or special. If they enjoy it, then they enjoy it, why comment about whether they have taste or not?

It might just be me being quite moderate in most of my opinions, especially when it comes to judging people's tastes.

I don't believe you can have a "taste" in something unless you have made a personal effort to explore that field in question and to really get to know what it is you like. If you just listen to whatever is played to you, then that is the exact opposite of a "taste", no?

[hugh]

anyway, this is just us talking about our differing views on the definition of what taste is, I think we agree about the core point - a lot of people don't really mind what is playing and will listen to just about anything.

[kay]

I dunno, I think it just means "not bothered". A bit like food. Most people will just eat anything that's put in front of them, without caring about whether it's Italian, Turkish, Chinese or whatever. Does that mean they have no taste?

But it's probably just semantics. I just don't really think it's worth telling people that they have no taste in music. It more often makes it worse.

[hugh]

I dunno, I think it just means "not bothered". A bit like food. Most people will just eat anything that's put in front of them, without caring about whether it's Italian, Turkish, Chinese or whatever. Does that mean they have no taste?

But it's probably just semantics. I just don't really think it's worth telling people that they have no taste in music. It more often makes it worse.

I don't remember saying that I go round telling them that LOL

[kay]

It'll probably come across quite clearly with the look of disgust that's plastered over your face though.

[dubfordessert]

i agree with what hugh's saying about some people genuinely having no "taste" in music (although i think you are both saying largely the same thing really just evaluating it differently). it's not that their taste is bad, it's that they literally don't care what they listen to particularly.

food perhaps isn't the ideal comparison because if anything the fault with food taste is being *too* picky. food is a necessity - music isn't, and therefore caring about food can get a bit precious, whereas caring about music is a kind of luxury. exploring music is an activity done for pleasure - some people genuinely don't eat for pleasure, whereas other people view music not as a thing to be enjoyed in itself but a thing to augment the enjoyment of something else, like hanging out with your mates and getting smashed.

music's more like fashion. having a very particular taste in clothes is one thing, wearing whatever's in because that's what's agreed is good at the time, it's cheap, accessible, does the job and is generally inoffensive is what most people do i think...

i don't know about the top 40 crue being mostly women though!

[kay]

music's more like fashion. having a very particular taste in clothes is one thing, wearing whatever's in because that's what's agreed is good at the time, it's cheap, accessible, does the job and is generally inoffensive is what most people do i think...

Hmm...good point!

[dubfordessert]

although speaking of gender, having very "niche" interests is something considered a badge of honour, and maybe something one gender might be more encouraged to take pride in - not saying men are just more likely to have niche interests because they want to prove their masculinity, or that women don't take pride in their hobbies - but it's defs a phenomenon i think... also social subcultures that centre on a particular activity might be more of a male thing.

[kay]

I've always found it odd/silly how there's usually such a clear gender divide between niches/hobbies. I think people put too much stock in differences, and not enough on similarities. I suppose that's them old tribal instincts kicking in again.

[hugh]

I like where this thread is going, some nice introspective discussion going on =)
I definitely agree that men take some kind of lame masculine pride in what we do, I don't know why we do it though! Guess I never thought about it before in that way

[sigbowls]

except gay men

[kay]

I'd chalk that up to the human's equivalent of strutting one's feathers, jostling attempts at alpha-maling. Although I'm sure women do it too, just in a different way.

except gay men

You're joking right?