how long has vinyl got left?

Tombones · Post by **Tombones** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:50 pm

what do you think? I love vinyl, spend ridiculous amounts of money on it - relative to my meagre income anyway, but I wonder with DJs increasingly playing digital sound files, especially of unreleased stuff, how long is it going to last. isn’t one of the main chemicals used in the production of vinyl going to be banned next year? it would be really interesting to hear the opinions of those inside the industry.

ekstrak · Post by **ekstrak** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:03 pm

thecrane wrote: isn’t one of the main chemicals used in the production of vinyl going to be banned next year?

people been saying this for time. gots to be myth. as for DJ's moving to digital, sure thats never going to be positive but trust, there's plenty people out there who dont mix yet still are hardcore wax'aholics.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:22 pm

link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... sic117.xml

text:
While most of the music industry is singing the blues about poor sales, there is one corner of the market that is surprisingly upbeat: vinyl.

The format, long ago consigned to charity shops and specialist outlets, is enjoying a full-blown revival, according to the latest industry figures.

In the first half of the year, CD single sales fell but sales of 7” vinyl records were up 12.9 per cent, the latest statistics from the British Phonographic Institute show.

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Last year, over a million 7” singles were sold versus just 200,000 in 2000.

David Sidebottom, a music analyst at Understanding and Solutions, said: “It’s interesting that we are in the world of digital, but we are coming back to vinyl.”

The revival is being driven not just by music aficionados longing for a nostalgic hit of hiss and crackle, but a whole new generation of music listeners.

They may own a digital music player, but also enjoy the feel and collectability of old-fashioned records.

Many indie bands are issuing singles on vinyl, helping to boost their credibility in specialist music shops.

According to High Street chain HMV, two-thirds of all singles are now issued in both CD and vinyl format.

Kim Bayley, director general of the Entertainment Retailers Association, which represents the likes of HMV and Virgin Megastore, said: “Even acts like the Arctic Monkeys, who emerged via the internet are now issuing vinyl.”

The most popular vinyl single in recent months has been Icky Thump, by the White Stripes, which has notched up the highest weekly sales for a 7” single for more than 20 years.

However, the revival of vinyl still has a long way to go before it regains the heights of popularity that it enjoyed in the late 1970s, when 89 million vinyl singles were sold each year.

It is also unlikely to make too much of an impact on the long-term gloomy picture for the record industry, which is suffering from a slump in sales.

The same figures that showed the come back of vinyl also revealed that 6.5 million fewer albums have been sold this year compared with the same period in 2006.

Consumers failed to make up the shortfall online, with digital album sales increasing by just 2 million.

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:42 pm

cool

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:48 pm

I think vinyl is going to be around for quite awhile. However I think it's days are numbered for the electronic music scene. I hope it's around for another few years tho. I still have plans on releasing my tunes on vinyl. It's always been a dream of mine. As that becomes more of a reality, nothing has changed. And I'll continue to support it as long as it's still an option.

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:32 am

i would prefer we not talk about this, ok?

vinyl will be the cornerstone of the dj for ever.

beatcarnival · Post by **beatcarnival** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:47 am

guerillaeye wrote:i would prefer we not talk about this, ok?

vinyl will be the cornerstone of the dj for ever.

Why?

It's just a medium. Music is the cornerstone of the dj

. You could spin vinyl all day and still be a total shit dj, and someone (in theory) with a well-chosen ipod playlist could easily satisfy a whole house party. It doesn't matter what you use, it's how you use it. Let's stop with the vinyl fetishism for its own sake, people

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guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:13 am

maybe im more of a purist. i have nothing against digital format at all, but vinyl has a place in my heart than can never be filled with a mp3 or wave.. and i fret the day that vinyl dies.

long live vinyl.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:43 am

guerillaeye wrote:maybe im more of a purist. i have nothing against digital format at all, but vinyl has a place in my heart than can never be filled with a mp3 or wave.. and i fret the day that vinyl dies.

long live vinyl.

+1

even though i have been using ableton live for dubstep, it has been more out of a) financial necessity, b) an ability to manipulate the tunes the way i like as i DJ, and c) well...um...it's actually kinda fun.

i still buy vinyl (both techno & dubstep), although admittedly not as much as i did 10 years ago (again, it's a financial thing and an increasing sense of responsibility to actually pay my bills FIRST...which i used to not do).

i think vinyl is a vital part of a increasing plethora of mediums, and i hope to see it live on! i think the diehard love of vinyl (the feel, the smell, the wonderful feeling as you break the plastic for the first time on a new record) will keep it going long after the naysayers predict its demise.

*edit* amusingly enough, i just noticed what shirt i am wearing today...

beatcarnival · Post by **beatcarnival** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:49 am

sapphic_beats wrote:
guerillaeye wrote:maybe im more of a purist. i have nothing against digital format at all, but vinyl has a place in my heart than can never be filled with a mp3 or wave.. and i fret the day that vinyl dies.

long live vinyl.
+1

even though i have been using ableton live for dubstep, it has been more out of a) financial necessity and b) an ability to manipulate the tunes the way i like as i DJ.

i still buy vinyl (both techno & dubstep), although admittedly not as much as i did 10 years ago (again, it's a financial thing and an increasing sense of responsibility to actually pay my bills FIRST...which i used to not do).

i think vinyl is a vital part of a increasing plethora of mediums, and i hope to see it live on! i think the diehard love of vinyl (the feel, the smell, the wonderful feeling as you break the plastic for the first time on a new record) will keep it going long after the naysayers predict its demise.

I feel you...if I had no bills to pay (and didn't live somewhere that had NO good local shops to buy electronic music vinyl) then I'd likely have no qualms with vinyl, but the fact is that in this day and age it's just too expensive for a lot of people and there are easier/cheaper ways of getting the music (which is, last time I checked, the important part) to the people that want it. I too love the material aspect of vinyl, the smell, the feel, everything...I just wish it wasn't such a hassle in the process

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relaks · Post by **relaks** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:52 am

2 weeks and 6 hours exactly before all vinyl explodes.

beatcarnival · Post by **beatcarnival** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:18 am

relaks wrote:2 weeks and 6 hours exactly before all vinyl explodes.

seriously...for all we endlessly debate the topic, vinyl will always be around for those who want it.

The issue at hand is, rather, whether vinyl should be the end-all, be-all medium that gets complete primacy of release...that, I think, should change. There is no reason that something released on vinyl couldn't be simultaneously released on MP3 or cd (though cd is less plausible and incurs the same shipping / distro concerns as vinyl). Especially in this dubplate-heavy scene, I wish more producers would get into some kind of deal with digital distribution sites that do it well (like boomkat.com and bleep, for instance) so that we can get more fresh dubs faster, and the producers can get paid without having to worry about a physical distribution scheme for every single release...once again, vinyl will always be there for those who want it, but by the same token we should grant the wishes of the people who'd like an option to buy digitally without punishing them via releases that come months later (if ever) and the 'digital' stigma.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:34 am

take any dubstep tune.

put a mastered .wav of it on serato deck one.

put a mastered dubplate vinyl of it on deck two.

play one after the other. i guarantee you the vinyl will have a fuller sound spectrum than serato. i've heard this several times recently. until they figure out a way to round out the serato output, vinyl will still sound the best.

and people playing out 320 unmastered mp3's on serato....sorry. you might as well play the tune on your ipod. please get your mp3's mastered properly.

furiouz · Post by **furiouz** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:18 am

sapphic_beats wrote:
guerillaeye wrote:maybe im more of a purist. i have nothing against digital format at all, but vinyl has a place in my heart than can never be filled with a mp3 or wave.. and i fret the day that vinyl dies.

long live vinyl.
i still buy vinyl (both techno & dubstep), although admittedly not as much as i did 10 years ago (again, it's a financial thing and an increasing sense of responsibility to actually pay my bills FIRST...which i used to not do).

i think vinyl is a vital part of a increasing plethora of mediums, and i hope to see it live on! i think the diehard love of vinyl (the feel, the smell, the wonderful feeling as you break the plastic for the first time on a new record) will keep it going long after the naysayers predict its demise.

Same here. Couldn't agree more

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:21 am

I searched on your topic and found these threads

Vinyl to be outlawed?Sep 2006
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... torder=asc

End of the vinyl road Dec 2005
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... torder=asc

efa · Post by **efa** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:32 am

sapphic_beats wrote:
guerillaeye wrote:maybe im more of a purist. i have nothing against digital format at all, but vinyl has a place in my heart than can never be filled with a mp3 or wave.. and i fret the day that vinyl dies.

long live vinyl.
+1

even though i have been using ableton live for dubstep, it has been more out of a) financial necessity, b) an ability to manipulate the tunes the way i like as i DJ, and c) well...um...it's actually kinda fun.

i still buy vinyl (both techno & dubstep), although admittedly not as much as i did 10 years ago (again, it's a financial thing and an increasing sense of responsibility to actually pay my bills FIRST...which i used to not do).

i think vinyl is a vital part of a increasing plethora of mediums, and i hope to see it live on! i think the diehard love of vinyl (the feel, the smell, the wonderful feeling as you break the plastic for the first time on a new record) will keep it going long after the naysayers predict its demise.

*edit* amusingly enough, i just noticed what shirt i am wearing today...

Was gonna reply properly till I read this, my thoughts exactly mate swapping Ableton with Traktor Scratch

fused_forces · Post by **fused_forces** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:27 pm

Cant beat vinyl!

socool · Post by **socool** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:43 pm

I have a mad love for vinyl. I play it all the way, unless it's one of my own tunes. I think the sound of vinyl is so much deeper and real... that's why I'm pursuing a career as a vinyl archivist

I'm working at the record store right now, and we just got a shipment in of dubstep and drum'n'bass... highlight of my week, right here... checking out all the new tunes (and of course, squirrelling away all the good stuff), drowning in that sweet sweet black crack...

computo · Post by **computo** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:58 pm

seckle wrote:please get your mp3's mastered properly.

You buying???

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:21 am

As Far as I know....

When the spares run out for lathe cutting heads, and all the lathes are broken, that spells the end of vinyl, as they no longer make 'em (so I'm told)

Unless of course, some eccentric millionaire or lottery winner decides to establish a new (and probably highly unprofitable) company manufacturing cutting lathes or spare parts..

Apologies if someone's already said this...no time to read the whole thread!!!!

Long live THA BLACK PLASTIC DISC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Branson are you listening?

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