The Game - Holy Water

[dickman69]

lol out of here w/ that educate shit

the alicia thing actually brings up a perfect chance to show why this game track is no good

Alicia Keys makes the track "Feeling U Feeling Me"
Mala samples it in "Alicia" (THIS IS OK)
DJ Spinn samples it after Mala with the track "Feelin You" (ALSO OK BECAUSE SPINN HAS USED THE SAMPLE IN DIFFERENT CONTEXT, ITS OBVIOUS SPIN HASNT TAKEN THE SAMPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE MALA TRACK "ALICIA")

Cher makes whatever that track is called
Mala samples it in "Changes" (THIS IS OK)
The Game's producer lifts the sample from "Changes" to make this
^
THIS IS NOT OK it is obvious that the Game's producer has lifted the sample directly from CHANGES and not the CHER SONG



IMO this is biting

done not explaining this anymore
I'm not trying to be an expert on Hip Hop or something (because im not), but in my experience making hip hop & listening to hip hop this is biting and it is not cool

[dubfordessert]

do i have to explain this again...

breaks =/= samples, everyone can use the same breaks thats not a big deal

taking a sample directly from another production that already has sampled an original tune

is wrong

i think the guy who actually owns the copyright on the amen break disagrees with you m8

G.C. Coleman?

afaik the people who made the original song have never done anything about it, but they weren't ecstatic about it either

[dubfordessert]

lol out of here w/ that educate shit

the alicia thing actually brings up a perfect chance to show why this game track is no good

Alicia Keys makes the track "Feeling U Feeling Me"
Mala samples it in "Alicia" (THIS IS OK)
DJ Spinn samples it after Mala with the track "Feelin You" (ALSO OK BECAUSE SPINN HAS USED THE SAMPLE IN DIFFERENT CONTEXT, ITS OBVIOUS SPIN HASNT TAKEN THE SAMPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE MALA TRACK "ALICIA")

Cher makes whatever that track is called
Mala samples it in "Changes" (THIS IS OK)
The Game's producer lifts the sample from "Changes" to make this
^
THIS IS NOT OK it is obvious that the Game's producer has lifted the sample directly from CHANGES and not the CHER SONG



IMO this is biting

done not explaining this anymore
I'm not trying to be an expert on Hip Hop or something (because im not), but in my experience making hip hop & listening to hip hop this is biting and it is not cool

you've just put THIS IS OK on the shit you like and THIS IS NOT OK on the shit you dont

[Genevieve]

do i have to explain this again...

breaks =/= samples, everyone can use the same breaks thats not a big deal

taking a sample directly from another production that already has sampled an original tune BY MALA. FUCKING MALA, YOU DON'T FUCKING SAMPLE MALA YOU FUCK.

is wrong

What you actually meant to say.

[therapist]

lol out of here w/ that educate shit

the alicia thing actually brings up a perfect chance to show why this game track is no good

Alicia Keys makes the track "Feeling U Feeling Me"
Mala samples it in "Alicia" (THIS IS OK)
DJ Spinn samples it after Mala with the track "Feelin You" (ALSO OK BECAUSE SPINN HAS USED THE SAMPLE IN DIFFERENT CONTEXT, ITS OBVIOUS SPIN HASNT TAKEN THE SAMPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE MALA TRACK "ALICIA")

Cher makes whatever that track is called
Mala samples it in "Changes" (THIS IS OK)
The Game's producer lifts the sample from "Changes" to make this
^
THIS IS NOT OK it is obvious that the Game's producer has lifted the sample directly from CHANGES and not the CHER SONG



IMO this is biting

done not explaining this anymore
I'm not trying to be an expert on Hip Hop or something (because im not), but in my experience making hip hop & listening to hip hop this is biting and it is not cool

Just out of interest, do you know for a fact that when you sample something (assuming you have, you've got a SC link there) it's not a track that has sampled someone else?

It's just seems a completely arbitrary thing to get annoyed about.

[dickman69]

lol out of here w/ that educate shit

the alicia thing actually brings up a perfect chance to show why this game track is no good

Alicia Keys makes the track "Feeling U Feeling Me"
Mala samples it in "Alicia" (THIS IS OK)
DJ Spinn samples it after Mala with the track "Feelin You" (ALSO OK BECAUSE SPINN HAS USED THE SAMPLE IN DIFFERENT CONTEXT, ITS OBVIOUS SPIN HASNT TAKEN THE SAMPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE MALA TRACK "ALICIA")

Cher makes whatever that track is called
Mala samples it in "Changes" (THIS IS OK)
The Game's producer lifts the sample from "Changes" to make this
^
THIS IS NOT OK it is obvious that the Game's producer has lifted the sample directly from CHANGES and not the CHER SONG



IMO this is biting

done not explaining this anymore
I'm not trying to be an expert on Hip Hop or something (because im not), but in my experience making hip hop & listening to hip hop this is biting and it is not cool

Just out of interest, do you know for a fact that when you sample something (assuming you have, you've got a SC link there) it's not a track that has sampled someone else?

It's just seems a completely arbitrary thing to get annoyed about.

because the game track has the exact same vocal modifications as in the mala track?

[particle-jim]

do i have to explain this again...

breaks =/= samples, everyone can use the same breaks thats not a big deal

taking a sample directly from another production that already has sampled an original tune

is wrong

i think the guy who actually owns the copyright on the amen break disagrees with you m8

G.C. Coleman?

afaik the people who made the original song have never done anything about it, but they weren't ecstatic about it either

Tbh if i was in Coleman I'd be happy to have birthed the amen break, a few seconds of my own *drumming immortalised in countless classic tunes, i'd be well happy with that
*bloody immaculate

[hutyluty]

If you sample some song then its you taking a bit of music and putting it in a new context. If someone then takes that new thing you've created and applies it in exactly the same way then thats not taking music its taking an idea and its pretty rubbish

[dubfordessert]

lol out of here w/ that educate shit

the alicia thing actually brings up a perfect chance to show why this game track is no good

Alicia Keys makes the track "Feeling U Feeling Me"
Mala samples it in "Alicia" (THIS IS OK)
DJ Spinn samples it after Mala with the track "Feelin You" (ALSO OK BECAUSE SPINN HAS USED THE SAMPLE IN DIFFERENT CONTEXT, ITS OBVIOUS SPIN HASNT TAKEN THE SAMPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE MALA TRACK "ALICIA")

Cher makes whatever that track is called
Mala samples it in "Changes" (THIS IS OK)
The Game's producer lifts the sample from "Changes" to make this
^
THIS IS NOT OK it is obvious that the Game's producer has lifted the sample directly from CHANGES and not the CHER SONG



IMO this is biting

done not explaining this anymore
I'm not trying to be an expert on Hip Hop or something (because im not), but in my experience making hip hop & listening to hip hop this is biting and it is not cool

Just out of interest, do you know for a fact that when you sample something (assuming you have, you've got a SC link there) it's not a track that has sampled someone else?

It's just seems a completely arbitrary thing to get annoyed about.

because the game track has the exact same vocal modifications as in the mala track?

thats cos he sampled it

[dickman69]

If you sample some song then its you taking a bit of music and putting it in a new context. If someone then takes that new thing you've created and applies it in exactly the same way then thats not taking music its taking an idea and its pretty rubbish

thank god

[dubfordessert]

If you sample some song then its you taking a bit of music and putting it in a new context. If someone then takes that new thing you've created and applies it in exactly the same way then thats not taking music its taking an idea and its pretty rubbish

and that's pretty much what mala did with both alicia and in luv tbh.

[dickman69]

^ ur just being stubborn pls stop

[kingldub]

Fuck the 45 King man, biter.

[dubfordessert]

^ ur just being stubborn pls stop

no im really not. the game's track/use of the sample is more different from changes than mala's is from feeling u feeling me, and i've always thought that about the latter.

[bela]

HAHA HOLY SHIT

this is what it's come to

[Marcus]

So many people have double standards here.

[bela]

to be fair this is kinda what sampling culture is all about
does anyone know whether he lifted it from mala, or from the same place mala found it?
either way fair play
long as credit is given where credit is due

[hutyluty]

If you sample some song then its you taking a bit of music and putting it in a new context. If someone then takes that new thing you've created and applies it in exactly the same way then thats not taking music its taking an idea and its pretty rubbish

and that's pretty much what mala did with both alicia and in luv tbh.

nah not really, he got the inspiration to mess about with the vocals and give them a new context, besides he called the tune alicia y'know- not exactly hiding that he's sampled.

[Dub_freak]

Its not a problem if two separate artists sample the same thing but use it in a different way. It is a problem though if the second producer just straight up copies what the first producer did with the sample, without giving any credit.

Could someone post what song it is that the sample comes from?

[dickman69]

it sounded pretty obvious to me that mala put a one note in a sampler & switched the pitches to create that riff