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miketm · Post by **miketm** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:48 am

Skream - Midnight Request Line

Bloody hell, how am i supposed to recreate a bass like this? I have tried a Few sines with some eq, but im no near sounding this fat, nor rich. I also have noticed that there is some kind of detuned sine's goodness that i can't recreate.

Any tips to create a sub that sounds this fat? (any VST suggestions too?)

Damn, that boy!

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:31 am

808 kick

osk · Post by **osk** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:23 pm

technically a sub should be a pure sine. but i've recently got into using low passed square waves, either on their own or layered over a sub (with clashing frequencies removed). With the right envelope settings you can get it to really pull and punch.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:10 pm

sub on MRS def. sounds like lo-passed squares or triangle waves-- way more overtones than a sine.

vonboyage · Post by **vonboyage** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:37 pm

Osk wrote:with clashing frequencies removed

Where would the best place to learn about filtering out frequencies, as i dont have a sub/monitor i cannot judge the punch of the sub, but i know theres a slight distortion going on.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but u were talking bout clashing freq's

osk · Post by **osk** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:16 pm

All I do is have the sub (sine) low passed to about 100 Hz and then you can have a square wave for added punch sitting just above that i.e. eq out frequencies below 100 Hz so there's no interference. Then just play around to fit.

Layering basslines is all about EQing to get them to sit... For me anyway!

thenapking · Post by **thenapking** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:45 pm

@Vonboyage

That's a good point, and one i'd like to know the answer to. I expect, unfortunately, that the answer is that you have to know someone with a better system to try it on.
One thing you can do is make a tone sweep in soundforge to test the response of your bass - then you will know precisely what the lowest frequencies you can hear on your system are & if the response is uneven at any points. Then you may hope to adjust for that mentally when producing...

miketm · Post by **miketm** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:57 pm

forensix (mcr) wrote:808 kick

Yeah, ive heard a lot of the infamous 808 kick but i cant seem to recreate the bass with that.

What are you using, Samples? or you are using some kind of vst emulation to achieve this?

thenapking · Post by **thenapking** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:01 pm

There was this production technique in hiphop that became known as 'linking loops', and i'm told that that's how a lot of producers made their subs. Basically, take a fat, deep 808 bd and loop up a few cycles of the deepest part in your sampler and that should give you it.
Apparently... i've never be arsed myself. i always use the monomate...

Sub Shifter · Post by **Sub Shifter** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:33 pm

thenapking wrote:There was this production technique in hiphop that became known as 'linking loops', and i'm told that that's how a lot of producers made their subs. Basically, take a fat, deep 808 bd and loop up a few cycles of the deepest part in your sampler and that should give you it.
Apparently... i've never be arsed myself. i always use the monomate...

good tip

dirtycash · Post by **dirtycash** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:48 am

808 SUB tutorial >

If you aint got a dedicated sub, or some speaks that can handle some sub, use quality headphones...if ya push ya cups against ya head, you'll pick up that bottom end punch..

So there's loads of 808 one shots and hits out there.
First you wanna find one thats rich in the sub already.
IE some 808's will be more mid rangey etc, avoid these
Also you wanna use one that's got a long tail off, or release, not a short stabby 808 hit...

Load into ya track, sampler or whatever.
Play around with the root note..ie it might be more subb pitched up an octave, or down an octave???

Now, in this order

Overdrive the fuck out of it with distortion
Apply a filter.
Eq to suit.
Bit of light compression to suit ( if it's clicking, or too loud, if it;s fine ,dont use compression for the sake of it)

You should be getting particularly good whump now.

By using different distortions/overdrives/filters you will get all sort of colourful variations on the 808 sub.

My recommnedation is the QuadFuzz plug in...great for the above technique

miketm · Post by **miketm** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:14 am

Dirtycash, thanks a lot!

First of all let me share my 808 kick, i think is pretty good for a sub (i really hope so) here is a mediafire link:

http://www.mediafire.com/?9mtds2tw0lb

In live i did something like this:

Add a Simpler, throw the 808 kick, add a saturator and click on hard, eq four: sub it, something like 50hz worked for me, then add an autofilter with no settings (everything turned off) and put it at 98hz.

I dont know but it sounded pretty fat, it probably needs some work and more eq but my monitors are not enought just yet. These sounds great on my headphones tho.

here is how it sounds, probably not the same but this will let my creativity explode

http://www.mediafire.com/?1lxrbgijijl

Cheeers!

dirtycash · Post by **dirtycash** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:05 am

sounds dope...try to find an 808 sample with even more release...

motormind · Post by **motormind** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:46 am

miketm wrote:Skream - Midnight Request Line

Bloody hell, how am i supposed to recreate a bass like this? I have tried a Few sines with some eq, but im no near sounding this fat, nor rich. I also have noticed that there is some kind of detuned sine's goodness that i can't recreate.

Any tips to create a sub that sounds this fat? (any VST suggestions too?)

I get nice low bass with my fretless Esh bass guitar, which lets me bypass the electronics, so you get the pure sound from the strings. Especially on the low B-string you get a very nice sub sound with some growl. It's not a "classic" dub bass sound, though.

janner · Post by **janner** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:34 pm

all this stuff about turning an 808 kick into a bassline sounds a bit contrived to me... not that i'm saying it can't be done, but are we saying that skream actually does this? i'm guessing no way!

i thought forensix (mcr) was saying that generally speaking, skream uses 808 kicks in his tracks (as kicks) which, being a notoriously heavy kick, increases perceived sub bass in the track as a whole. plz correct me if i'm wrong here

for me, i have a sine wave sub (sampled and loaded into kontakt) that i use in EVERY tune as standard. then i just layer other stuff on top as described by TeReKeTe and Osk. it's simple tweakage after that.

pushre · Post by **pushre** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:25 pm

You should try Drumatic 3....the 808 kick is incredible, and it's free.

http://www.e-phonic.com/plugins/

miketm · Post by **miketm** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:29 pm

Janner wrote:all this stuff about turning an 808 kick into a bassline sounds a bit contrived to me... not that i'm saying it can't be done, but are we saying that skream actually does this? i'm guessing no way!

i thought forensix (mcr) was saying that generally speaking, skream uses 808 kicks in his tracks (as kicks) which, being a notoriously heavy kick, increases perceived sub bass in the track as a whole. plz correct me if i'm wrong here

for me, i have a sine wave sub (sampled and loaded into kontakt) that i use in EVERY tune as standard. then i just layer other stuff on top as described by TeReKeTe and Osk. it's simple tweakage after that.

I think forensix was saying that skream really uses 808 kicks as subs.

If you listen to Skream's track, you can hear that it is a very eq'ed 808 kick with a long tail, when the tones go up its more evident.

Give it a try!

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:28 pm

Janner wrote:all this stuff about turning an 808 kick into a bassline sounds a bit contrived to me..

well what isn't planned out in music production? and seeing as an 808 kick is basically a modified sine wave i don't see why it wouldn't work.

janner · Post by **janner** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:57 pm

FullyRecordingz wrote:and seeing as an 808 kick is basically a modified sine wave i don't see why it wouldn't work.

so why not cut out the middle man and just use a sine?

Janner wrote:... not that i'm saying it can't be done

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:30 pm

Janner wrote:
FullyRecordingz wrote:and seeing as an 808 kick is basically a modified sine wave i don't see why it wouldn't work.
so why not cut out the middle man and just use a sine?

what are u on about man? as far as i kno the producer IS the middle man.

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