Trap cymbal placement

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:04 pm

Trap cymbal placement. Is it just trigger cymbals in intervals of 1/3, 1/4, 1/6, 1/8, and so on? I am not a big fan of trap, but some of their production techniques sound sweet. Just trying to figure out the drum structure..

I don't want to hear about how much you hate trap.

Samuel_L_Damnson · Post by **Samuel_L_Damnson** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:11 pm

You dont have to put cymbals in a certain place to make a song "trap".

Triphosphate · Post by **Triphosphate** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:34 pm

What do you mean by trigger cymbals? Like they only go off with other drums?

Also, do you mean crashes only? Or rides and hats too? As far as I can tell the defining factor for trap cymbals is hats in 1/16th that occasionally double time to 1/32.

dickman69 · Post by **dickman69** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:35 pm

lolwut

make them sound good

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:35 pm

Sinestepper wrote:You dont have to put cymbals in a certain place to make a song "trap".

You know what i am referring to, i am not trying to make trap. Just interested in the drum placement mang.

Like the pitch movement on toms, and tom/cymbal placement, ect.

Like :34 the cymbals start

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:37 pm

rayman612 wrote:lolwut

make them sound good

Its these posts that make me

eenzo · Post by **eenzo** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:38 pm

this might help your dilemma:

people on this forum really need to start being more helpful and less snobby. It's becoming more of a clubhouse and less of a place where people can just come together and exchange knowledge

dickman69 · Post by **dickman69** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:43 pm

outdropt wrote:
rayman612 wrote:lolwut

make them sound good
Its these posts that make me

y... ur overthinking it...

make it sound good

there aren't secret formulas dude

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:56 pm

Nice video, hes not much of a speaker though

.. I see the technique though, its like trigger 1/4-1/16, and in certain areas the cymbals cut up to get this glitchy feel. I am interested in the toms now. Gonna have to play with this at home.

Toms like in the intro here, sounds like they are just pitched around.

Dont hate on the song choices btw, best examples i could think of on the spot.

Kit Fysto · Post by **Kit Fysto** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:02 pm

This is what I do and it works well for this kind of stuff. Get a kick snare pattern first. The put hi hats on every 1/8note. Turn that shit up, smoke some weed and move shit around and make cool little sections until you think it sounds tight. Little flams, triplets, whatever the hell you want. It's just gotta flow. That is the only rule. Make it flow

glottis5 · Post by **glottis5** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:22 pm

the hi hats aren't random, they act as quick fills and to emphasize things rhythmically

Johnst · Post by **Johnst** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:25 pm

outdropt wrote:I don't want to hear about how much you hate trap.

OH MY GAD I FUCKING HATE TR- oh. Yes, that wouldn't be very helpful.

I don't care for it, but yeah I'm intrigued by the hats as well.

Kit Fysto wrote:This is what I do and it works well for this kind of stuff. Get a kick snare pattern first. The put hi hats on every 1/8note. Turn that shit up, smoke some weed and move shit around and make cool little sections until you think it sounds tight. Little flams, triplets, whatever the hell you want. It's just gotta flow. That is the only rule. Make it flow

Kit seems to be on the right track. It seems like it's just a straight beat that's got fast, flowing hats. Each time I've tried to throw something together though it just sounds stupid, so it's probably more complicated than it originally sounds. It'll probably require a decent amount of trial and error.

Also, attaching pitch to velocity and doing slight pitch ups/downs during fills could sound really cool, and I think that's actually what they tend to do (it's a lot more obvious with the snare fills).

drake89 · Post by **drake89** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:54 pm

on songs i like i notice cymbals at 1/4, hats at 1/8, 1/16, and 1/8T. some of the wierd feel can be from switching between 1/16 and 1/8T(riplet). it's wierd cause 1/8T is actually faster than 1/16.

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:09 pm

drake89 wrote:on songs i like i notice cymbals at 1/4, hats at 1/8, 1/16, and 1/8T. some of the wierd feel can be from switching between 1/16 and 1/8T(riplet). it's wierd cause 1/8T is actually faster than 1/16.

Yeah the triplets add some change in the rhythm that really adds to the feel of the beat.

Also fast 32's on the ... Offbeat?.... really adds some intensity.

like 2/32, 4/32, 6/32, 8/32

sketchyderek · Post by **sketchyderek** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:19 am

There's no secret to trap cymbals...

They're fun to do in ableton live clip view

Artie_Fufkin · Post by **Artie_Fufkin** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:00 am

you're asking how to sequence 808 hi hats as triplets?
:lebowski:

I'm sorry, is this a really advanced concept for non-drummers?

Hircine · Post by **Hircine** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:21 am

get a mpc, press note repeat, press and hold the hi hat pad, start playing with the repeat timing.

hasezwei · Post by **hasezwei** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:51 am

Artie Fufkin wrote:you're asking how to sequence 808 hi hats as triplets?

I'm sorry, is this a really advanced concept for non-drummers?

i mean jeez just try it out

RandoRando · Post by **RandoRando** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:20 am

its just quarter notes with random triplets thrown in

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