Sub Bass in Reason 3.0

[rudeski damager]

Hi, before people begin to give me links to the production bible - I've read it. Its really helpful but It didn't have the answers which I am looking for.

I can create a sub bass, but thats all it is. It dosen't sound very special, it sounds bland. I want to create more of a rumble or at least something which actually sounds like is has some character.

At the moment I'm using 2 Sine Waves both routed to Filter B with the lp12 box selected. I've got the frq at 50 and res at 71. I've read a couple of you talk about Layering Sub Bass in past threads. What is this and what does it do? When I EQ using the MQClass EQ'er I'm boosting everything from 78khz - 39khz by 6db. I've got everything before 78khz on a gentle slope down to -18khz.

I have no knowledge about khz or db. Everything I've read refering to them here in the mastering threads has been confusing. Obviously because of my own lack of knowledge though.. u get me. I've tried putting Scream on with tape selected etc and its a little better, but still sounds like any sub.

Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks 2 everyone for contributing here in the past, just by searching back thru threads I've learned a lot.

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[rudeski damager]

Second question which I forgot to add: Theres this beeping/clicking sound at the start/end of each note. I've taken off Attack to 30 and its gone. But now the Sub note hits in the wrong place... Any solution? Is it possible to activley cut sounds in reason and shift them about so I could cut out the beep and bring the part of the note I want to use forward?

[future one]

First of all get rid of that eq with the big boost. Boosting freqs is usually a bad idea and you shouldnt need to do it much with subs.

An attack of setting of 12 should get rid of most of the click at the beginning of the note.

For more character try a low passed square or sawtooth wave. At the moment you're filtering a sound wave that has no harmonics which is pretty pointless. Sine waves are great for layering under other sounds or using on their own for a big booming jungle style bass. They may sound a bit weak on a home stereo but on a big rig they can smash it if they are turned up loud in the mix.

Try different settings of the scream 4 on your bass. eg tape or fuzz then tape etc.

You can then bounce this and load into the NNXT and lowpass again.

Also try layering your synth sounds with othe bass samples.

You should also research up on the combinator. You can get some awesome basses going out of that thing.

Peace out.

[FSTZ]

ahh man..

just check this wicked tutorial!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtZjnmj8Ks

[unempty]

Distort -> Lowpass Filter

Distortion adds harmonic content and non-linearity (movement). Filtering removes harmonics, but the movement will still be there, and lets you adjust "tone".

[Sharmaji]

also sub doesn't necessarily have to have character; let your midrange basses do that.

[psychonaught]

loading up two sawtooths/squares or whatever then detuning one of them by 10-50cents works a treat for mid bass. you could try it with ya subs and see how it sounds.

[j.d.b.]

a really good way i use pretty much everytime is a scream set onto tape, with the compression up slightly and the other knob just fiddle with until it sounds good, then wack a maximizer on it, and a compressor if you wanna be uber clevver

set the two different waveforms, one to -10 and one to +10 cent, then set the lfo to mix..............might sound good

[gravious]

Distort -> Lowpass Filter

Distortion adds harmonic content and non-linearity (movement). Filtering removes harmonics, but the movement will still be there, and lets you adjust "tone".

Yup, you can make some pretty meaty sounds this way. You can put a lot of distortion on the sound - tape distortion is usually quite good - and then filter off all the angry noise!

The only problem is that the compression of your distortion can cause loss of really deep sub frequencies, so you might want to layer another instance of the synth playing the same notes (filtered so its just the sub-sub) or use a splitter to another channel.

Layering usually just means 'putting a few sounds on top of each other and trying to make them sound like one'. For example, as discussed elsewhere, a square wave on top of a sine can add some mid "punch", and make it seem more audible.

Just watch out for the dreaded 'phasing'!

[psychonaught]

gravious see ya at the other rooms tomorrow

and that advice looks tasty, definately gonna give that a try