WIP Thread - GIVE FEEDBACK TO OTHERS BEFORE POSTING!!!

[D-ROD]

@ Kongret: Everything sounds pretty damn sick, fat bass sounds, the song progresses in a nice way that it doesn't get boring. The only thing IMO that doesn't sit quite right is the sound of the main melody. The melody itself is awesome, you are clearly dope at melodies. Just the sound seems kind of off putting ... Not sure what it is. It's like you can't tell the emotion you are trying to convey with it, like it doesn't have the attitude it could have to really bring it all to life. lol, dunno if that makes sense.

@Eye-Sic: Your drums sound dope, so does the bass. Just another break down and your song should be good to go.

@antman: The three sections you have contain very little variation within them. I would, personally, make your sections more progressive and evolving. Like when a section ends usually you would have some sort of indication that it's done, a drum fill, a bass fill etc... Or instead of having a 4 bar bass line, you could make an 8 bar bassline in which case it helps keep a listeners interest. Keep at it though. Learning music is an never ending process.

[BaasDNB]

@antman: The three sections you have contain very little variation within them. I would, personally, make your sections more progressive and evolving. Like when a section ends usually you would have some sort of indication that it's done, a drum fill, a bass fill etc... Or instead of having a 4 bar bass line, you could make an 8 bar bassline in which case it helps keep a listeners interest. Keep at it though. Learning music is an never ending process.

This is pretty ironic coming from you.. your tune is far more repetitive

[BaasDNB]

where to begin. The DNB track is beyond salvage. You have these 80's esque realistic sounding snare kick and then fake sounding hats? That hat rithym gets old really quickly. Then you bring in that variation that sounds like 808's. None of the drums go together. The midrange sounds like a bucket of mud. the melody sounds to be just folley sounds with obnoxious resonancies. The only thing I like is the pad in the beginning. I'd keep that and trash the rest.

Lol like a sore baby. If its beyond salvage.. why are well known djs in my area feeling it? The drums fit just fine.. because they all came from the same kit dumb fuck
The beginning isnt a pad either, its a lot of effects with some automation.

[Electric_Head]

Now now Baas.
He was honest and gave his opinion.

Try to curb the BS in here guys.

[johnkimble]

LOL still a definition of 'male vagina'
not posting anything (sorry) cus baasdnb told my tunes are garbage
this really hurt me in an such emotional scale i cant even go outside anymore

[Eye_siC]

Now now Baas.
He was honest and gave his opinion.

Try to curb the BS in here guys.

yeah its really not cool to bash anyone.....
feedback, is supposed to be done with improvement in mind. not emotional destruction.
tell people how they could get better but dont be an asshole! just be real, its all anyone could ask.

and tell people what is good about their music too, so they can build off of that strong point.
we are in this together in my opinion. all trying to get "somewhere" with our music in some way...

<---- love.

[mthrfnk]

why are well known djs in my area feeling it?

Woah step back guys, we've got a pro here.

In all seriousness, I have to agree - I dislike the drums, they aren't coherent with the track. Just because they come from the same kit doesn't mean they sound good, perhaps that's why to me they sound boring - try and liven them up with other hits and perc. The bass is very muddy, it sounds like you need to clear up the midrange and tone down the sub, it sounds too boomy. Overall it needs more ideas to make the track flow, atm it sounds too repetitive.

And before you start, that wasn't me having a dig at you nor was it me trying to be a smart ass being really negative about your track... it's the same feedback I'd give to anyone who posted that.

[SUBFLEX]

Now now Baas.
He was honest and gave his opinion.

Try to curb the BS in here guys.

yeah its really not cool to bash anyone.....
feedback, is supposed to be done with improvement in mind. not emotional destruction.
tell people how they could get better but dont be an asshole! just be real, its all anyone could ask.

and tell people what is good about their music too, so they can build off of that strong point.
we are in this together in my opinion. all trying to get "somewhere" with our music in some way...

<---- love.

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this is the only time ive ever seen bashing/attacks in the WIP thread... jus knock it off and lets carry on.

post constructive criticism, and like eye-sic said, point out the positives as well, or dont post at all

[alexeyhermann]

Kongret - nice work, heavy and shit ) no advices for you, keep up the good work.

Eye-siC - man, this is big, im loving your style. grovy.

ParaTroXic - very much the kind of stuff i personally like ))) very cool

antman - atmospheric and it has a melody ) i'd make the sub bass louder and the kick and the snare stand out a little bit more otherways its really ok to begin with )

here is my tune for feedback, I have no Idea how to make intros or endings or a tune as a composition so thats my problem, but I did work hard on the middle part so please let me know what's your criticism )

Soundcloud

[Eye_siC]

alexyhermann- your song definitely had a good energy and decent build up. i liked the main drop but as it progressed i felt it lost the magic of how the bass was in the beginning, seemed to just get a little bit more random. either way good job on the mixdown, commerical volume but not too harsh.

Burgeamon- i like your ideas and generally ive been enjoying electronic "post trap" quite a bit lately so i enjoy that aspect. the ideas are very spot on as well but i would maybe work on equing some things to fit a bit better. overall had a good time listening. =D

d-rod- i would say work on getting some better samples for hats and drums. you make the ones you have now work okay but better samples just make a better song.
i like the energy in it. it definitely has its flow and momentum. i would maybe put a fat flanger on the mid bass and fatten up the sub but thats just me. either way not a bad tune, keep working at it.


alright well i know i just posted a song here yesterday (i think it was yesterday, some time recent lol)
i got some inspiration on guitar and just started piecing things together. its for sure one of my favorites now but that makes me blind to its flaws
tell me how shitty it is, and why!
Soundcloud

[BaasDNB]

Now now Baas.
He was honest and gave his opinion.

Try to curb the BS in here guys.

and I gave mine. His opinion and critique about ant's tune was about something that his own tune is 10 times worse in the exact same category. Its called projection.

feedback, is supposed to be done with improvement in mind. not emotional destruction.
tell people how they could get better but dont be an asshole! just be real, its all anyone could ask.

Thats pretty funny.. you want your cake and to eat it too right? Being 'real" and honest does not mean being always positive. Thats pretty dumb that youd even say those two things in the same line. Its like I said a few pages back. Ppl want ass kissing feedback which is totally fake and to say what you liked.. what are you a weak minded child that needs constant reinforcement? It goes hand in hand with the self esteem bullshit psychology pushed in the 70s which resulted in an ever more depressed and suicidal generation(look up the facts if you dont believe this)
Feedback like this :

I dislike the drums, they aren't coherent with the track. Just because they come from the same kit doesn't mean they sound good, perhaps that's why to me they sound boring - try and liven them up with other hits and perc. The bass is very muddy, it sounds like you need to clear up the midrange and tone down the sub, it sounds too boomy. Overall it needs more ideas to make the track flow, atm it sounds too repetitive.

Is actually the best kind of feedback. Its all just points of improvement. If your a baby and you need someone to tell you the "good" things in a shitty track, you shouldnt post in the first place.
Because ppl are fake here, you get the results of tracks with zero character. I'm not gonna say something "nice" about a track that sounds like a casio keyboard skrillex immitation. Its shit, plain and simple. There is no positive to it in my mind. If you think my track is shit, I definitly prefer you telling me that, and why as to being the next fake asshole in the planet.

[Eye_siC]

Now now Baas.
He was honest and gave his opinion.

Try to curb the BS in here guys.

and I gave mine. His opinion and critique about ant's tune was about something that his own tune is 10 times worse in the exact same category. Its called projection.

feedback, is supposed to be done with improvement in mind. not emotional destruction.
tell people how they could get better but dont be an asshole! just be real, its all anyone could ask.

Thats pretty funny.. you want your cake and to eat it too right? Being 'real" and honest does not mean being always positive. Thats pretty dumb that youd even say those two things in the same line. Its like I said a few pages back. Ppl want ass kissing feedback which is totally fake and to say what you liked.. what are you a weak minded child that needs constant reinforcement? It goes hand in hand with the self esteem bullshit psychology pushed in the 70s which resulted in an ever more depressed and suicidal generation(look up the facts if you dont believe this)
Feedback like this :

I dislike the drums, they aren't coherent with the track. Just because they come from the same kit doesn't mean they sound good, perhaps that's why to me they sound boring - try and liven them up with other hits and perc. The bass is very muddy, it sounds like you need to clear up the midrange and tone down the sub, it sounds too boomy. Overall it needs more ideas to make the track flow, atm it sounds too repetitive.

Is actually the best kind of feedback. Its all just points of improvement. If your a baby and you need someone to tell you the "good" things in a shitty track, you shouldnt post in the first place.
Because ppl are fake here, you get the results of tracks with zero character. I'm not gonna say something "nice" about a track that sounds like a casio keyboard skrillex immitation. Its shit, plain and simple. There is no positive to it in my mind. If you think my track is shit, I definitly prefer you telling me that, and why as to being the next fake asshole in the planet.

cool your jets, you are acting like a fool.

all im saying is dont hate. there is no such thing as a bad song because its all subjective. some will like it some wont. i promise you though, everyone has strong points and it HELPS to have those pointed out. being honest doesnt mean you have to be an asshole.
just say what you would have done differently. dont break down someones fucking creation.

music is a tool for creative expression, and you should treat it as such.
and dude encouragement goes a long way.
you obviously dont understand how helpful it is when your confident. no second guessing. just knowing what you want and making it happen.

just please have sympathy for your fellow man.

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[BaasDNB]

cool your jets, you are acting like a fool.

all im saying is dont hate. there is no such thing as a bad song because its all subjective. some will like it some wont. i promise you though, everyone has strong points and it HELPS to have those pointed out. being honest doesnt mean you have to be an asshole.
just say what you would have done differently. dont break down someones fucking creation.

music is a tool for creative expression, and you should treat it as such.
and dude encouragement goes a long way.
you obviously dont understand how helpful it is when your confident. no second guessing. just knowing what you want and making it happen.

just please have sympathy for your fellow man.

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Thats funny... cause in my eyes you are the fool. Saying stupid shit like "no such thing as a bad song because its all subjective".... this is the stupid kind of shit this generation believes in. You just try to "be positive" to complete crap and "pointing out strong points" in complete crap.. im sorry they dont exist.

Being honest means, being honest. You dont filter your thoughts and you say whats ACTUALLY on your mind. Not some stupid filtered positive bullshit. Unwarranted encouragement hurts a ton more than it helps (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20756247) but the idiots of this generation want to think otherwise. Did you know that in a study around the world of 13 year olds intelligence, the MOST confident did the worst? But no, we should "encourage" idiots who are making complete shit so they feel compacent about the complete crap they are making! Nah your the fucking moron here dude. Encourage someone when it it HONESTLY rings in your heart and gets to you. And guess what, that shit is rare. If you want encouragement, then get on a label and I guarantee you thats the biggest encouragement you'll get. Stop being such a pussy that needs to have a game of grab ass to feel good about your tunes. If you actually made good music, you wouldnt be affected in either way what people say. The guys that get offended by negativity are making shitty tunes and just dont want to face it. And its normal in this day and age, because our whole generation was raised on this "everyones a winner" bullshit.

[Eye_siC]

cool your jets, you are acting like a fool.

all im saying is dont hate. there is no such thing as a bad song because its all subjective. some will like it some wont. i promise you though, everyone has strong points and it HELPS to have those pointed out. being honest doesnt mean you have to be an asshole.
just say what you would have done differently. dont break down someones fucking creation.

music is a tool for creative expression, and you should treat it as such.
and dude encouragement goes a long way.
you obviously dont understand how helpful it is when your confident. no second guessing. just knowing what you want and making it happen.

just please have sympathy for your fellow man.

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Thats funny... cause in my eyes you are the fool. Saying stupid shit like "no such thing as a bad song because its all subjective".... this is the stupid kind of shit this generation believes in. You just try to "be positive" to complete crap and "pointing out strong points" in complete crap.. im sorry they dont exist.

Being honest means, being honest. You dont filter your thoughts and you say whats ACTUALLY on your mind. Not some stupid filtered positive bullshit. Unwarranted encouragement hurts a ton more than it helps (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20756247) but the idiots of this generation want to think otherwise. Did you know that in a study around the world of 13 year olds intelligence, the MOST confident did the worst? But no, we should "encourage" idiots who are making complete shit so they feel compacent about the complete crap they are making! Nah your the fucking moron here dude. Encourage someone when it it HONESTLY rings in your heart and gets to you. And guess what, that shit is rare. If you want encouragement, then get on a label and I guarantee you thats the biggest encouragement you'll get. Stop being such a pussy that needs to have a game of grab ass to feel good about your tunes. If you actually made good music, you wouldnt be affected in either way what people say. The guys that get offended by negativity are making shitty tunes and just dont want to face it. And its normal in this day and age, because our whole generation was raised on this "everyones a winner" bullshit.

im not going to call you names because thats childish, but i do want you to check this wiki out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

btw your music is good, keep it up.
im not trying to hurt your feelings but your being rude to complete strangers right now and it doesnt make sense. you can provide a perspective without being "mean"

i understand the concept of improvement, and finding your flaws to fix them. but when you are overly aggressive, people arent going to fucking listen to you.
edited because i called you a name. it happens.

[Electric_Head]

Now now Baas.
He was honest and gave his opinion.

Try to curb the BS in here guys.

and I gave mine. His opinion and critique about ant's tune was about something that his own tune is 10 times worse in the exact same category. Its called projection.

Don't be confused here, I fully support you standpoint regarding feedback.
Imo, you have not gone about making your point in the right way.
Be constructive not destructive.

You asked ppl to be honest and when they were you still got upset about it.
Yes,it is their opinions but that is what you come here for otherwise you wouldn't post in here.
It's probably best if this conversation dies and we all return to giving feedback.
Accept that folks will have differing opinions and leave it there.

[BaasDNB]

im not going to call you names because thats childish, but i do want you to check this wiki out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

btw your music is good, keep it up.
im not trying to hurt your feelings but your being rude to complete strangers right now and it doesnt make sense. you can provide a perspective without being "mean"

i understand the concept of improvement, and finding your flaws to fix them. but when you are overly aggressive, people arent going to fucking listen to you.
edited because i called you a name. it happens.

Well, you could call me names if thats what you really felt. Dont filter shit, I prefer raw honesty. I think you dont understand what I'm getting at; its like this whole encouragement thing is completely wrong and actually hurtful, not helpful. When someone is totally hard on you, and completely negative, you grow the most but the difference is they are hard on you in a good way. I'm aggressive with bad music sure, but I've been pretty positive to the tunes that I feel have potential. Thats my opinion and if someone disagrees they can ignore it( the same way they ignore most opinions they dont like in general ).

Its not mean to point out flaws, it just depends where its coming from. If you look in history, a lot of ppl who were amazing had mentors who were tough on them, but in a good way. If those same mentors kept giving them "positive reinforcement", I guarantee you they would not have made the incredible art/philosphy/science that they did. The positivity comes from within from COMPETENCE. I know most everyone here reading this thinks I'm just some crazy dude but this shit is real. Psychology encouraged parents in the 70s to only be positive to their kids, which made a whole new era of problems. Because of this "only positive" type of shit, people were encouraged to feel good about themselves regardless of what kind of results they were getting(delusional) and became raised as pampered babies who never encountered "negativity" from authority figures and hence couldnt handle it when/if they ever did. The idea was that any kind of negativity damages the "psyche" and this in turn would make the person lose all encouragement and perform poorly because they "felt bad about themselves".
The reality is thats all bullshit. Being positive is unhealthy and completely unrealistic. Do you listen to tunes here and then think "wow thats like the same level as led zeppelin!" of course not(if you do... you really need help)! But everyone here avoids the elephant in the room and is totally fake, saying shit like "wow your tune is great! just eq this and maybe add one thing!" Thats way more mean, because its fucking fake!

[BaasDNB]

Don't be confused here, I fully support you standpoint regarding feedback.
Imo, you have not gone about making your point in the right way.
Be constructive not destructive.

You asked ppl to be honest and when they were you still got upset about it.
Yes,it is their opinions but that is what you come here for otherwise you wouldn't post in here.
It's probably best if this conversation dies and we all return to giving feedback.
Accept that folks will have differing opinions and leave it there.

In what way did I get upset to someones feedback? I was upset about the fakeness way prior to any feedback.. I'll definitely admit to that. Please let me know how I was upset to "honest" feedback to my music. D-RODs feedback was a joke because his exact critique was about something his own tune is suffering from and hes trying to talk down to the guy about something hes actually worse at... very asshole move but you clearly missed that.

[OfficialDAPT]

@dotcurrency - not a huge fan of that kick sample but that could just be my headphones. I'm lovin' the hihats in the intro though. 0.55 caught me off guard and I like it, definitely a fan of those wobbles. That being said, I don't really like what you did with it at 1:23 with the lfo rate switch up.

@BaasDNB - Intro sounds pretty muddy and the hi-hats are definitely being covered up to some extent. I'm really not a fan of the atmospherics you have going on although the one that comes in at 1:08 could sound cool by itself. 1:32 sounds like it not finished and the wobble sounds like it might be clipping?

@thirdpersonforfeedback - can't find you because there's too much arguing. I'll pop back in tomorrow morning and give more feedback.

Here is my latest tune that I'd like some feedback on. I'm trying to get more into metal so it's kinda a combination of that and bro.

Soundcloud

[Electric_Head]

BaasDNB -

Don't get your back up to me.
I was supporting your views.
You seem to be very defensive even when folks are agreeing.
Surely you can admit that peoples opinions will differ.

This is the problem.
Some of us are agreeing but still give our opinions on this situation.
You reply to the opinions by once again being argumentative.

At some point you'll have to allow other people their opinions and be humble enough to accept.
You can maintain your views, no-one is arguing with that.
But your viewpoint is not the only one unfortunately.
Part of learning and be constructive is also taking input from others, positive or negative.

[Eye_siC]

i reposted this and added some feedback to it. didnt want people to have to sort through the war of words to find their feedback/a song to give feedback to.

alexyhermann- your song definitely had a good energy and decent build up. i liked the main drop but as it progressed i felt it lost the magic of how the bass was in the beginning, seemed to just get a little bit more random. either way good job on the mixdown, commerical volume but not too harsh.

Burgeamon- i like your ideas and generally ive been enjoying electronic "post trap" quite a bit lately so i enjoy that aspect. the ideas are very spot on as well but i would maybe work on equing some things to fit a bit better. overall had a good time listening. =D

d-rod- i would say work on getting some better samples for hats and drums. you make the ones you have now work okay but better samples just make a better song.
i like the energy in it. it definitely has its flow and momentum. i would maybe put a fat flanger on the mid bass and fatten up the sub but thats just me. either way not a bad tune, keep working at it.

dapt- i really think your tune is done well. all of the ideas are pretty cool and i used to play metal so i can appreciate it.(although since ive found dubstep ive decided metal wasnt for me) i thought the bass noises were very cool and i really liked your vocal samples.(although im not listening to it through a sub at the moment.)
my only tiff is maybe the hats, they seem a bit simple. i would try to get some momentum up there in the high range if i were you =) enjoyed the tune man.
what synths did you use?

alright well i know i just posted a song here yesterday (i think it was yesterday, some time recent lol)
i got some inspiration on guitar and just started piecing things together. its for sure one of my favorites now but that makes me blind to its flaws
tell me how shitty it is, and why!
Soundcloud