breakcore/noise/other

[joeki]

some questionable if not generic shit on this last page tbh. Did like that Nasenblud tune!

The problem with Limewax, DJ Producer, Audio...is that the nights are usually sooo fucking repetitive. And the tunes all sound the same for the last 5 years.

The best I saw Bong-Ra was in Brussels as Goat of Mendes, by long and far. Set quite similar to this (though that was almost a year before)

http://www.mixcloud.com/bongra/the-goat ... -mix-2009/

[sigbowls]

http://www.mixcloud.com/pzdc/from-dda-ct-with/

[Genevieve]

DJ Producer is mad varied. From 140 bpm industrial hardcore to breakcore and dnb (no skullstep though). Lotsa breaks.

The whole PRSPCT sound homogenized like fuck, but Prodocer isn't complicit in that shit

[joeki]

have to admit its been at least a year since I saw producer and wasn't too clearheaded that time around. But it was at a PRSPCT night in Holland I believe (we went with a chartered bus) so chances are you might be right. But then chances are also that Producer might have provided the single hour of variation for the entire night.

Will have to go and check it again when there's a more varied bill.

[Genevieve]

Oh I meant more tunes. If his sets are total 175 worship then I wouldn't be surprised, but from what I've seen online, he still spins a lot of 150 or 200 shit.

I miss dis Limewax doe

[sigbowls]

http://www.harder-louder.com/2013/01/04 ... oornemens/

200+

[Genevieve]

Unfair how this became the B-side to 'Times Like These' by DJ Hidden (tune that purrty much kickstarted the crossbreed craze). Times Like These is fucking awesome, but I think I like the Numek tune more :0

[Genevieve]

[wubstep]

Dump of some recent Soundcloud favs;

Soundcloud
Might be the only vocal hardcore track I've ever liked, if any genre...


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More far out shit from Loops

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A friends dark electronic/metal project, Godfleshy, but he's never heard Godflesh.

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Offcut by Tech Diff, really like this experiment

[wubstep]

Naughty new album from Raxyor;

http://peaceoff.bandcamp.com/album/rancid-mantra-ep

[ultraspatial]

Anyone got Lee Gamble's "Diversions 1994-1996"?
It's all jungle samples, but it's not dance music, and it doesn't have that off-putting "omg so obscure" vibe of Raime. Found it quite an interesting listen, even though I generally find ambient music pretentious and boring, and I loathe this whole analog and retro fetishism that's going on now.

[joeki]

I loved that release. But Dutch Tvashtar Plumes veers more into what you describe as Analog/retro/pretentious bullshit. I don't like it half as much as Diversions which is generally great.


Can understand a person finds a lot of ambient music boring, but to simply dismiss it all pretentious is just terribly short-sighted. You'd be missing out on some great stuff, but that's just my vision.

How is Raime in that whole "omg so obscure vibe?" That's simply wrong. If anything, within the whole dark ambient spectrum, Raime's last album was one of the more accessible albums. It still had rather straight-forward beat patterns (Plastikman techno, even some breakstep skeletons). Just because they played on the boiler room once doesn't make them obscure. Also, their album fits in a long line of albums in that style pretty much dating back to the nineties when Lull, Labradford, Thomas Köner,... already started doing similar things. It's not as if they suddenly decided to do some 'obscure' dark ambient just to cater to a hipster crowd.

I just don't follow that reasoning and it seems to me that just because they got a bit of good press for their album (that was generally well received in underground circles=> some popular media will undoubtedly drool over it) that your hipster radar started flashing. You're entitled to not like it, but to call it out as deliberate hipsterness is a bridge too far.

It's a good album that takes influences from Dark ambient as well as the more minimal drone/doom acts (like Earth, Nadja,...) so it is bound to speak to a wider range of fans both electronic as well as instrumental. If they want to record a jungle set for FACT and people automatically assume they're jungle and mistakenly write that in their reviews, that's their fault. Btw, on the boiler room, they pretty much did an entire old school dub set if I recall correctly. They might just have a very varied taste is all.

[ultraspatial]

Didn't mean to come off as harsh. The whole "omg so obscure" vibe is due to BEB's marketing more than anything really. I liked their singles actually. The album I found a bit boring though. And yeah, their jungle influence is waaaaay overstated.
I don't dismiss things based on the fact that they get good reviews or play at boiler room. I rarely check blogs/zines/whatever nowadays (and when I do it's mostly because a top 10 whatever thread pops up around here). I don't really need someone telling me what's good this week; I know what I like and dislike, and I can listen to previews by myself.
As for my dismissal of ambient, yeah, I know I maybe missing out on somethings, but whatever. It's just that I never find myself going back to an ambient album, even if I like it, I rarely play it more than 2-3 times. The last sort of ambient album I liked was Tomorrow's World by Synth Sense.
It's just not my cup of tea, and I don't really want to dig too deep tbh (the same way I feel about house and to an extent pre-Ghost etc garage).

[joeki]

it is true though, that much like dubstep nowadays, there became a certain point when any1 with a keyboard and Fruity-Loops started to make ambient music. The quality control has gone astray a bit. And then came the Modern classical revival, which I somewhat have similar sentiments towards as you have towards ambient.
All is fair though and I might actually agree that the singles of Raime were a better format for them than the album. Still, I liked it!

On a sidenote, don't know if he is mentioned in here somewhere yet: but what about Kevin Drumm? Any takers? Can't always listen to him, but after a shitty day at work in the winter and snow, I can really vent on some of his tunes!

[ultraspatial]

Modern classical revival

Have no idea what that is, so I googled it and the first thing that popped out was this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... -cope.html

[hasezwei]

how can it be so harsh yet so deep at the same time

[cryptical]

more like dis plz

[Genevieve]

how can it be so harsh yet so deep at the same time

Mayne, I'd say a lot of hardcore is like dat. People just get caught up in the harshness cuz its hrdcore m8 lolololololol itz just sum idiots with shitty loud kickz lmao. no skill 2 produce

[ultraspatial]

what's a good place to start with hardcore? I kinda always dismissed it based on masters of hardcore shit

[Genevieve]

I'd start with Bloody Fist and Drop Bass Network, those are the "standards" for more underground hardcore. Just raw, industrial and dark. I'll try to think of some more specific examples later.

What totally got me into hardcore was 'The Deaf EP' by SPL. Great production, deep vibes, no cheese, awesome atmosphere. But I reckon you heard that?

That's what put me off hardcore innitially as well. The whole melodic hoover/supersaw shit with a distorted 909. Super cheesy. But the underground stuff his a different vibe.