Native American confronts anti-illegal immigration protester

[deadly_habit]

A Native American man criticized protesters at an Arizona rally against illegal immigration, calling them the real “illegals” for invading his country and killing Native Americans when Europeans first settled on US soil.

“You’re all fucking illegal. You’re all illegal,” the Native American man yelled at the protesters, who had gathered in Tuscon, Arizona to demonstrate their opposition to illegal immigration by Central and South Americans. “We didn’t invite none of you here. We’re the only native Americans here.”

Some have applauded the man for pointing out the protesters’ hypocrisy, who at one point immigrated to the US themselves or are descendants of immigrants. The Native American man, who was pushing his baby through town in a stroller, staged his own protest when he came across the rally.

“Get on with your bogus arguments. We’re the only legal ones here,” he yelled.

One protester was caught standing near the angry Native American and became the target of his criticism. The man was carrying a small American flag and a sign that read, “We should have put that sign up when you son of the bitches came.”

Pointing towards the American flag held by the protester, the Native American said that it “represents blood spilled by Native Americans, protecting this land from the invaders.”

“You don’t want to hear the God damn truth!” he yelled. “Get on, bitch! All the Native Americans you killed, you plant your houses here. That’s the truth.”

With Arizona’s proximity to the Mexican border, it has long been a hub for anti-immigration protests and initiatives. The state passed the “Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act” in 2010, which is a strict anti-illegal immigration measure that has stimulated significant controversy. The law made it a misdemeanor crime for an “alien” to be in the state of Arizona without carrying registration documents. It also allows law enforcement officers to stop any individual that they suspect of being an illegal immigrant, thereby promoting racial profiling. It also imposes heavy penalties on those involved in sheltering or hiring unregistered aliens.

The law’s controversial provisions were blocked by the US Department of Justice, but the Supreme Court in 2012 ruled to uphold the “show me your papers” provision allowing law enforcement to stop anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant.

But the Native American man who staged his own protest at the rally considers it hypocritical for Americans to criticize others for immigrating into the US when everyone but Native Americans at one point did so themselves.

“That’s what [the American] flag stands for – all the Native Americans you killed to plant your houses here,” he said. “That’s the truth.”

video here

http://rt.com/usa/news/native-american- ... n-man-500/

[LACE]

Tell em

[alphacat]

What's interesting is that 100 years ago or more, there was no hypocrisy inherent to most people in the conquest of native Americans; it was "God's will," plus the idea that the red man was fundamentally inferior. Now that most Americans don't maintain those perspectives explicitly, the anti-immigration folks would do well to recast their views in the light of reason. If they object to a perceived violation of their own entitlement, make them explain that entitlement or STFU.

[dickman69]

i dont think native americans had immigration laws m8

[nousd]

unfortunately the native american's protest is illogical:
essentially he's saying the actions of previous immigrants were inimical to his people
which is basically what the protestors are pro-actively saying about would be immigrants

this is a common dilemma for some native peoples coming across as racist
either because they are claiming exclusive occupation of a place on the basis of ethnicity
or, by inference, that they are inherently superior because they would act with less self-interest
if put in the same situation as immigrants.

[bABGzus]

unfortunately the native american's protest is illogical:
essentially he's saying the actions of previous immigrants were inimical to his people
which is basically what the protestors are pro-actively saying about would be immigrants

this is a common dilemma for some native peoples coming across as racist
either because they are claiming exclusive occupation of a place on the basis of ethnicity
or, by inference, that they are inherently superior because they would act with less self-interest
if put in the same situation as immigrants.

I disagree. I think his point is that as immigrants themselves they are in no position to protest immigration. I don't think he's claiming any moral superiority just pointing out that they are what they claim to be protesting. The stuff toward the end about how europeans fucked up the indians I see as a separate, also legitimate, point.

[nousd]

unfortunately the native american's protest is illogical:
essentially he's saying the actions of previous immigrants were inimical to his people
which is basically what the protestors are pro-actively saying about would be immigrants

this is a common dilemma for some native peoples coming across as racist
either because they are claiming exclusive occupation of a place on the basis of ethnicity
or, by inference, that they are inherently superior because they would act with less self-interest
if put in the same situation as immigrants.

I disagree. I think his point is that as immigrants themselves they are in no position to protest immigration.

Yes, that is evidently his point.

I don't think he's claiming any moral superiority

hmmmm, you think so?

just pointing out that they are what they claim to be protesting.

True. My point is about the irony.

[Phigure]

John Redcorn?




Seriously though, guy is badass. Love how he singlehandedly disperses almost the whole crowd of protestors

[Sexual_Chocolate]

unfortunately the native american's protest is illogical:
essentially he's saying the actions of previous immigrants were inimical to his people
which is basically what the protestors are pro-actively saying about would be immigrants

this is a common dilemma for some native peoples coming across as racist
either because they are claiming exclusive occupation of a place on the basis of ethnicity
or, by inference, that they are inherently superior because they would act with less self-interest
if put in the same situation as immigrants.

sounds like the talk of a true supremacist right here.

[Hircine]

[test_recordings]

Point taken, it seems. LOL at the guy telling him "You're drunk!" at 0:55 as if his point of view isn't reasonable or even sane

[nowaysj]

Forgive me lace for the culturally imperialistic appropriation of your people.

[nousd]

unfortunately the native american's protest is illogical:
essentially he's saying the actions of previous immigrants were inimical to his people
which is basically what the protestors are pro-actively saying about would be immigrants

this is a common dilemma for some native peoples coming across as racist
either because they are claiming exclusive occupation of a place on the basis of ethnicity
or, by inference, that they are inherently superior because they would act with less self-interest
if put in the same situation as immigrants.

sounds like the talk of a true supremacist right here.

nev, I believe you are deliberately misunderstanding what I've written.

*edit
misconstruing is a more accurate word

having thought about it some more, I'll add:

the native american is obviously justified in pointing out the irony in the protestors' actions,
in their attempt to "keep out invaders", who they are see as a threat
but there needs to be a recognition that his people would largely have preferred to have "kept out the invaders" too.
If he was a supremacist, he would reject the possibility of there being similar motivations.
If he was seeking reconciliation, he would be better off talking to people before jumping to facile judgements.

[test_recordings]

I think he's just pissed off for having his people shat on for the past half millenium+.

If the Europeans had come along and improved the quality of life without a problem, he might even be agreeing with their arguments. Or he could be arguing that they should improve the Mexican's quality of life.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

the native american is obviously justified in pointing out the irony in the protestors' actions,
in their attempt to "keep out invaders", who they are see as a threat

well, if you had a musket pointed at your face, wouldnt you consider that a threat you wouldnt take lightly?

but there needs to be a recognition that his people would largely have preferred to have "kept out the invaders" too.

how do you know this? youre assuming that had the settlers not come in with force that they would have still fought? right? (and i only say this as there were many different tribes, so you cant really lump them into one ideological basket)

If he was a supremacist, he would reject the possibility of there being similar motivations.
If he was seeking reconciliation, he would be better off talking to people before jumping to facile judgements.

well its not as if what hes saying isnt true, there were people protesting a point & he pretty much caught them out on it. doesnt get much more simple than that.


and what test recording said.

[garethom]

Only conclusion from this is that americans should disperse asap.

[Genevieve]

how do you know this? youre assuming that had the settlers not come in with force that they would have still fought? right? (and i only say this as there were many different tribes, so you cant really lump them into one ideological basket)

Sd5 didn't, this guy in the video did. 'We're the only Native Americans here'. He didn't talk about his tribe, but all Native Americans. And Natives slaughtered Europeans for trying to move to the Americas. They even slaughtered vikings before that

[Sexual_Chocolate]

how do you know this? youre assuming that had the settlers not come in with force that they would have still fought? right? (and i only say this as there were many different tribes, so you cant really lump them into one ideological basket)

Sd5 didn't, this guy in the video did. 'We're the only Native Americans here'. He didn't talk about his tribe, but all Native Americans. And Natives slaughtered Europeans for trying to move to the Americas. They even slaughtered vikings before that

wait, how did the guy in the video assume that exactly?

and yes, obviously they slaughtered pilgrims/puritans/etc, id imagine they also slaughtered eachother when it came to it.

[dickman69]

Is this thread gonna turn into one of those anglo saxons --- germanic tribes --- nubians threads

we should all live in africa

native americans moved in & stole land from bears & shit

[LACE]

Nobody technically owns the land you live on, just as fish don't own the lakes or rivers but I'm sure the SNH intelligentsia can understand the basis of his argument and how a mostly white crowd bitching about illegal immigration is ridiculous. To put it simply white people were the invaders and these days all these descendents of those invaders are the same white people who pushed, tricked, massacred, pillaged, raped and then segregated natives into the shitty living conditions on the rez today, along with mocking our culture and sacred customs in the media. So to be honest, some natives don't give a shit about illegal immigrants taking your jobs when your white ancesters took our resources and our way of life.