Bye Bye Benedict

[magma]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

The Pope's resigning. I didn't even know Popes could resign.

[wub]

Sweet. New pope, Spain is a catholic country...extra national holiday

[Terpit]

I didn't even know Popes could resign.

Same, there's not much/any information that I can find, seems really sudden.

[wub]

I didn't even know Popes could resign.

Same, there's not much/any information that I can find, seems really sudden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_resignation

Papal resignation is envisaged as a possibility in canon 332 §2 of the Code of Canon Law and canon 44 §2 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches. The only conditions for the validity of the resignation are that it be made freely and be manifested properly.[1]

Canon law does not specify any particular individual or body or people to whom the Pope must manifest his resignation, leaving perhaps open the possibility of doing so to the Church or the world in general. But some commentators hold that the college of cardinals or at least its Dean must be informed, since the cardinals must be absolutely certain that the Pope has renounced the dignity before they can validly proceed to elect a successor.[2][3]

The term "abdication" is not used in the official documents of the Church for resignation by a Pope.

In 1045, Pope Benedict IX agreed, for financial advantage, to resign the papacy. Pope Gregory VI, who to rid the Church of the scandalous Benedict IX had persuaded him to resign, became his successor. Gregory himself resigned in 1046 because the arrangement he had entered into with Benedict was considered simoniacal; that is, to have been paid for. Gregory's successor, Pope Clement II, died in 1047 and Benedict IX became Pope again.

The best known example of the resignation of a Pope is that of Pope Celestine V in 1294. After only five months of pontificate, he issued a solemn decree declaring it permissible for a Pope to resign, and then did so himself. He lived two more years as a hermit and was later canonized. The Papal decree that he issued ended any doubt among canonists about the possibility of a valid Papal resignation.

The last Pope to resign was Pope Gregory XII (1406–1415), who did so to end the Western Schism, which had reached the point where there were three claimants to the Papal throne, Roman Pope Gregory XII, Avignon Antipope Benedict XIII, and Pisan Antipope John XXIII. Before resigning he formally convened the already existing Council of Constance and authorized it to elect his successor.

[Terpit]

Yeah I meant information about this guy resigning, although they have updated that bbc page since I read it there's still no reason

[Terpit]

Papal resignation is envisaged as a possibility in canon 332 §2 of the Code of Canon Law and canon 44 §2 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches. The only conditions for the validity of the resignation are that it be made freely and be manifested properly.[1]

Canon law does not specify any particular individual or body or people to whom the Pope must manifest his resignation, leaving perhaps open the possibility of doing so to the Church or the world in general. But some commentators hold that the college of cardinals or at least its Dean must be informed, since the cardinals must be absolutely certain that the Pope has renounced the dignity before they can validly proceed to elect a successor.[2][3]

The term "abdication" is not used in the official documents of the Church for resignation by a Pope.

In 1045, Pope Benedict IX agreed, for financial advantage, to resign the papacy. Pope Gregory VI, who to rid the Church of the scandalous Benedict IX had persuaded him to resign, became his successor. Gregory himself resigned in 1046 because the arrangement he had entered into with Benedict was considered simoniacal; that is, to have been paid for. Gregory's successor, Pope Clement II, died in 1047 and Benedict IX became Pope again.

The best known example of the resignation of a Pope is that of Pope Celestine V in 1294. After only five months of pontificate, he issued a solemn decree declaring it permissible for a Pope to resign, and then did so himself. He lived two more years as a hermit and was later canonized. The Papal decree that he issued ended any doubt among canonists about the possibility of a valid Papal resignation.

The last Pope to resign was Pope Gregory XII (1406–1415), who did so to end the Western Schism, which had reached the point where there were three claimants to the Papal throne, Roman Pope Gregory XII, Avignon Antipope Benedict XIII, and Pisan Antipope John XXIII. Before resigning he formally convened the already existing Council of Constance and authorized it to elect his successor.

Seem like a lot of these cases were for personal gains

[magma]

Crikey. First for 600 years then!

The best known example of the resignation of a Pope is that of Pope Celestine V in 1294. After only five months of pontificate, he issued a solemn decree declaring it permissible for a Pope to resign, and then did so himself.

Brilliant.

[wub]

Crikey. First for 600 years then!

The best known example of the resignation of a Pope is that of Pope Celestine V in 1294. After only five months of pontificate, he issued a solemn decree declaring it permissible for a Pope to resign, and then did so himself.

Brilliant.

So the pope wanted to do something that wasn't allowed by the Church so he made a decree that it was okay and then did it himself anyway. Hmmm, sounds kinda familiar...

[Forum]

When you're so old that even altar boys can't get you hard anymore, it's time to pack it in

[Terpit]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nti-condom

[mIrReN]

I doubt any of you care so why even bother...

[magma]

I doubt any of you care so why even bother...

I care in as far as I'm interested when a big historical event takes place - I'm no royalist, but I'd be interested if Beatrix or Elizabeth abdicated too. What's wrong with taking an interest in world affairs?

[mIrReN]

aaah "big historical event"
nvm, carry on

[scspkr99]

aaah "big historical event"
nvm, carry on

if you're going to sneer you may want to make it clear what you're sneering at

[particle-jim]

I'm sure there is a perfectly legitimate explaination for his resignation that has nothing to do with any shady business involving conspiracies/cover-ups

Oh who am I kidding? There's obviously some rather shady goings on at the Vatican

[Genevieve]

He got a lot of criticism compared to the last pope. It could be as simple as that

[particle-jim]

He got a lot of criticism compared to the last pope. It could be as simple as that

He's the first Pope to resign in 600 years, if it's over something as petty as a bit of criticism from mainly non-catholics I will be VERY surprised

[Muncey]

That BBC article is great. Couldn't write an article without mentioning the paedophile ring and him being in 'hitler youth' haha... and rightly so.

I assume at 85 the viagra doesn't work as well.

[magma]

You'd think that if he handed his notice into God, He'd be able to confirm acceptance by stopping dude's heart. If you didn't die when you signed the letter, you'd better get yourself ready for Hell, Palpatine.

[ehbes]

Crikey. First for 600 years then!

The best known example of the resignation of a Pope is that of Pope Celestine V in 1294. After only five months of pontificate, he issued a solemn decree declaring it permissible for a Pope to resign, and then did so himself.

Brilliant.

So the pope wanted to do something that wasn't allowed by the Church so he made a decree that it was okay and then did it himself anyway. Hmmm, sounds kinda familiar...