DIGITAL MYSTIKZ SPIRITUAL SOUND

hamzen · Post by **hamzen** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:28 pm

Jubscarz wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about bruv, i just like to wiggle my arse.

That's another of your posts that's got me smiling even though I'm a hippy

(ref to one of your posts before), if a rather weird mutation of one since I can't stand modern hippy music in general and I'm incredibly wary of hippy culture.

It's all words in the end, but good attitude and being for real isn't, to me that's what the word means,
and anyways I bet you wiggle your arse with some style and good vibes

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:57 pm

I bet you wiggle your arse with some style and good vibes

Of course, haha. Bass does something to me whether it be primal, spiritual or down right dutty I dunno. RATTLE ME CHES!

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:01 pm

hamzen wrote:What is interesting is different peoples perception of that dread angle, playing to a mate the other day who perceived it as heroin music

Very weird.

I guess what doesn't come across if you've never been to a night is the pure good time vibes, despite the sonic dread

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:43 pm

If you don't really feel the music, I think it would be easy to dismiss as slowed-down and smacked-out.

If you do feel the music, its energy is volcanic. The half-step side might be a curiously collapsed-in kind of energy, but it's not dead end energy. It's like all the outpouring of energy in the 'ardkore contiunuum is concentrated into this tight little ball that puts the listener / dancer totally at ease and in balance, while the skank oscillates around you.

datura · Post by **datura** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:54 pm

I always assumed that the Mystikz tracks had that spiritual vibe due to Mala & Coki being rastas (or if not rasta, dreads) hence the references to jah in some tracks..rastas have always made spiritual music, particularly through roots reggae and the modern conscious reggae..

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:14 pm

Grievous Angel wrote:It's like all the outpouring of energy in the 'ardkore contiunuum is concentrated into this tight little ball that puts the listener / dancer totally at ease and in balance, while the skank oscillates around you.

Yeah I really hear that in a track like "Lightning." Interestingly though, I've heard from a reliable source that dubstep and E don't get along at all.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:15 pm

datura wrote:I always assumed that the Mystikz tracks had that spiritual vibe due to Mala & Coki being rastas (or if not rasta, dreads) hence the references to jah in some tracks..rastas have always made spiritual music, particularly through roots reggae and the modern conscious reggae..

Yeah I don't really doubt where they're coming from. I don't see it as a marketing thing.

ectoplasm · Post by **ectoplasm** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:18 pm

I remember tryna comment upon the spirituality of jungle back in the mid 90's at an American Indian chat room...and all I got from them was...raves are for degenerates and junkies and dat's not spirituality you're feeling...dat's just all those drugs fuckin with you...And I'd say..what if I told you that I feel it even without drugs...and they'd chastize me and ridicule me for even callin it spirituality since they were the "real" spiritual people...and I was like...everybody in here is very hostile when it comes to other people feeling a sense of the beyond...beyond the abyss..beyond corporeality...when you feel outside of yourself..yet completely at ease...complete....not becuase there was a hollowness or emptiness beforehand, but a sort of rediscovery...language without words...understanding not just with your brain but with your whole body...sensing that your sorroundings ARE YOU...and perhaps vice versa...i didn't seek to be a hippy..or some wacked out, spaced out freak...but you know what....whatever I am...I see it's better on this side...out here we are stoned Immaculate....somebody kick me in the nuts

nirz · Post by **nirz** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:21 pm

any music that touches you emotionally puts you in touch with what would be/ is called spirituality .... whatever you want to call it it is my sole reason for listening to music ... theres a quote I dont remember who it's from but it says "music is the language of angels" and although its somewhat cheesy I find some truth in that. Even though Im somewhat of an agnostic regarding god there is something I find in intense experiences such as those I get from music which I cant explain... such experiences go beyond rational reaction to external stimuli. For example love can begin to be explained by the need to procreate and raise the child... but music ? I cant even begin to explain why I have such depth of feeling from hearing what are essentially abstract sounds...

big up the mystics! I like the philosophy ... I love the music

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:40 pm

autonomic wrote:Yeah I really hear that in a track like "Lightning." Interestingly though, I've heard from a reliable source that dubstep and E don't get along at all.

That's what some say (but not others!). But the energy in the ardkore 'nuum isn't just about the drugs. You get that pitched up excitability that's in all the ardkore musics whether the producer takes E or nor -- and crucially, you get it in dancehall... especially 80s UK fast chat...

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:06 pm

to get slightly off topic for a second - grime has often struck me as transferring the energy of jungle's breaks to speedy vox while the rest of the track works like the halftime bassline. not always the case but often enough.

back on topic - marc bassnation has often pointed out to me moments in dubstep that seem to pop right out of other nodes on the 'nuum. it's interesting too when those bits come from people who may have been to young to be aware of the music. it shows how its threads are still permeating what's followed.

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:14 pm

"music is the language of angels"

yeah and lucifer was god's maestro until...

http://www.truthaboutrave.com/music.html

...so is Mala n Coki rasta ???

the sprirtual vibe and the blackness is what connects dubstep to jungle via congo natty et al and not d'n'b...

funny though I'm hearing stuff that is like spiritual music in dubstep but it's strangely soulless. Technically it's faultless but somethings just not quite right...

...makes me think what are they worshipping ???

then again you might be thinking that's strange in itself coming from the minister for disinformation at the HELL SCIENCE DEPT or HELL_SD...

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:29 pm

http://www.truthaboutrave.com/music.html

some shitty christian dribble ...

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:45 pm

"Without question, satan has counterfeited music."

Always one step ahead, isn't he?

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:47 pm

hamzen wrote:Blimey, and there was me a bit wary about posting that originally, for a couple of reasons, appreciated sheriff.

Having been a serious meditator for ages I get nervous around any language to do with this topic for one, don't trust it in general, secondly I'm looking for a new language to desctribe those type of experiences, which is why I asked the question originally. But also dubstep is certainly doing that for me with it's voodoo touches, and it's providing a diffferent take on it for me bigtime.

Goa type spirituality I don't trust at all, in fact I find it fake in general, and I thought others might see my initial post as referring to that angle on spirituality. I went the guru route for a long time, and as far as I'm concerned that is exactly not what it's about, in fact I've found more of a spiritual vibe in dance communities than I ever did in spiritual groups, anyways blah de blah

And thanks Grievous Angel, that's exactly the territory I'm talking about, and in the spirit of as well.
What is interesting is different peoples perception of that dread angle, playing to a mate the other day who perceived it as heroin music, which I found odd and interesting at the same time.

neither do I - its disillusioned western people looking to find themselves or atleast question re-affirm their existence in a far flung and originally a highly spiritual place. Goa now is a money making racket, simple as. The true hippie has moved up to the hills, in seclusion leaving on the beaches, mainly very angry aggressive straight out of the army israeli's who treat the local indians like they are dirt. Local Indians dont even allow their own selves into the raves...preferring to service the white foreigner instead...

Anyway a bit off topic because rasta and India are totally different things.

i dont think one can frame a spiritual argument - but i maintain my point about all things being "Created"....so enjoy!

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:56 pm

J_J wrote:http://www.truthaboutrave.com/music.html

some shitty christian dribble...

some might say the same about rasta but drug induced shitty christian dribble...

...cos rasta is christian albeit clouded in kaneh bosm but a christian offshoot never the less

etch · Post by **etch** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:17 am

this is a wicked thread!

i've found myself going into a real medative state whilst listening to dubstep (just at home whilst i'm working on my computer - no drugs) after a few hours of it i feel completely locked in and in the zone. So much so that when I leave the room it takes me hours to come out of it, like i'm in some kind of dubstep trance haha, with beats and sounds from the tunes looping round my head the rest of the day!

Fucking amazing music - I just hope it stays true to these roots. I found early dnb was similar - but not to this level.

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:04 pm

^^^don't you mean jungle...

...and here's a coat of arms screensaver present from HELL_SD while you're working away at home

not very spiritual I'm afraid...

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:32 pm

Nice artwork dugmugga...

More art, less words from you please.

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:49 pm

Well, you say it's not a spiritual image, but to my eyes, it looks a hell of a lot like Coil's "Love's Secret Domain" image! Can't get away from the HellSD current...

Yes, dubstep just invites you to go into deep-breath sacred space.

I don't know whether Mala and Coki are formally rasta -- 12 Tribes, Bobo or whatever -- but Mala definitely gives off a rasta vibe.

Yes, rasta has a relationship with Christian spirituality, but then so does qaballah, sufism, enochian, and lots of other things. It's been difficult to get away from! Some parts of rasta uses an explicitly Christian framework, some doesn't. Most of rasta has a strong Abrahamanic basis but it's expressed in many different ways and there's an extremely powerful influence of informal gnosticism -- i.e. personalised spiritual experience unmediated by doctrine (which has a similar impulse to but is not identical with formal Valentinian and other forms of Gnosticism {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism}). It's complicated!

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