Music sales are not affected by web piracy

[VirtualMark]

I've found that once you're arguing with 3 or 4 people, the idiots start to show up with random insults.

You're gay lol

Again, your mum seemed to disagree.

[Muncey]

That tony andrews funktion one video is waste anyway

I agree you won't hear the difference from a CD and a 320 at home or whatever.. but like Deadly Habit said you do more than listening in the DJ world.. timestretching and pitching. To add to that you have to go through a lot from the file to the ear of the listener.. if its a CDJ it goes through that, through a mixer which often have sub standard soundcards, usually adding effects or whatever, then out of speakers/system.

Surely a 320 with lost information is going to behave differently than a WAV? Wouldn't a 320 be more prone to distortion after all of this processing?

[VirtualMark]

from http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... 3-wav.html

Interesting, how an old school guy refers to distortion - clearly he doesn't understand the psychoacoustic model. The "distortion" isn't sounds that we can't hear!

And I didn't hear any bass there, did you? Like I said about 10 pages ago - it's mostly white noise and wider stereo information that's lost.

I am not saying that mp3 is perfect. Just that people are making a big deal out of nothing. It will not ruin a night if a DJ plays 320 mp3s!

[VirtualMark]

Surely a 320 with lost information is going to behave differently than a WAV? Wouldn't a 320 be more prone to distortion after all of this processing?

It's not going to help - which is why I'd never recommend that anyone produce in mp3. But the fact is that many DJs do use mp3 and most people would have no clue. So I don't think it's a big issue like people are trying to make out in this thread.

[ezza]

It will not ruin a night if a DJ plays 320 mp3s!

of course it wont. but this is dsf, ur agrument is invalid

[hifi]

amazing

[deadly_habit]

from http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... 3-wav.html

Interesting, how an old school guy refers to distortion - clearly he doesn't understand the psychoacoustic model. The "distortion" isn't sounds that we can't hear!

And I didn't hear any bass there, did you? Like I said about 10 pages ago - it's mostly white noise and wider stereo information that's lost.

I am not saying that mp3 is perfect. Just that people are making a big deal out of nothing. It will not ruin a night if a DJ plays 320 mp3s!

Well once again flv video compression isn't exactly the best for picking up low end.
It won't ruin a night, but electronic music is one of the genres where it's most easily discernible the difference between a lossless and lossy format especially in a club setting.

[Muncey]

I agree its not a big deal and I don't think its the quality that people are annoyed about.. its the fact of settling for less. Its the argument that '320 wouldn't ruin your night' that is why people accept a sub-standard sound. Also its the attitude of PAID DJs, why would you use 320s IF you could play WAVs? Laziness or too cheap to pay a quid more?

MP3s are good for iPods or whatever but if you're being paid to DJ I don't see why you would use a sub-standard quality when it takes very little effort to get better. The argument 'the crowd won't tell' isn't a valid one in my opinion. You may as well prerecord a set and press play because 'the crowd won't know' as well.. those attitudes will eventually destroy DJing and underground club culture, not to mention dubplate and system culture.

Just my 2 pennies!

[hifi]

circular reasoning?

[garethom]

circular reasoning?

circular mp3s

[Mason]

this thread is like a portal into the production forum

[skimpi]

I agree its not a big deal and I don't think its the quality that people are annoyed about.. its the fact of settling for less. Its the argument that '320 wouldn't ruin your night' that is why people accept a sub-standard sound. Also its the attitude of PAID DJs, why would you use 320s IF you could play WAVs? Laziness or too cheap to pay a quid more?

MP3s are good for iPods or whatever but if you're being paid to DJ I don't see why you would use a sub-standard quality when it takes very little effort to get better. The argument 'the crowd won't tell' isn't a valid one in my opinion. You may as well prerecord a set and press play because 'the crowd won't know' as well.. those attitudes will eventually destroy DJing and underground club culture, not to mention dubplate and system culture.

Just my 2 pennies!

I mean I dunno like, I buy 320s now, cos I dont wanna pay more for wav's, but like if i started playing out, and people paid me, and I could afford to buy more music, then id probably just buy it all on vinyl, i wouldnt go through and re buy all my music in wav, and still, i dunno if i would even buy wav, paying more money for different 1's and 0's, I dont mind paying more for a product, but i aint paying more for a digital file that i can hardly find any discernible difference.

you talk about setling for less, but most club goers are fucked out their head anyway, and with that high level of sound, your ears get fucked and you come away with muffled hearing for 2 days lol. real life sounds like mp3 then haha

[deadly_habit]

MP3s are good for iPods or whatever

Here is another major point, most people consume the majority of their music on ipods, laptop speakers, shitty earbuds, or desktop speakers from lossy formats so they have not developed the critical listening skills to differentiate between the formats so they don't even know what to listen for.
Also when it comes to an audio signal, it's only as good as the weakest link in the chain and there are a lot of variables that can affect the end result, so why start off with a lossy format?

The lossy formats even though they're not needed anymore due to storage space or delivery due to bandwidth, is part of the reason people have devalued music, which is why people pirate.
Combine that with excessive shitty music (be it low production value, cookie cutter generic stuff etc), the old guard of the music industry refusing to adopt new business models until it's too late and you have current situation we're in.

[Terpit]

What's wrong with 320s?

[VirtualMark]

I have to say, that if given the option to buy a 24 bit 96khz music file, I'd buy it. It certainly can't hurt to have a nice collection of high quality music for the future. But the stuff just isn't available! I'm not arguing against quality here, I love quality. I'll buy a 4k projector too when they come out! I just don't see why people are moaning about 320 mp3, especially in a club where it's noisy and the sound system is set up to just blast music as loud as possible. It's hardly an ideal listening environment.

[Muncey]

I agree its not a big deal and I don't think its the quality that people are annoyed about.. its the fact of settling for less. Its the argument that '320 wouldn't ruin your night' that is why people accept a sub-standard sound. Also its the attitude of PAID DJs, why would you use 320s IF you could play WAVs? Laziness or too cheap to pay a quid more?

MP3s are good for iPods or whatever but if you're being paid to DJ I don't see why you would use a sub-standard quality when it takes very little effort to get better. The argument 'the crowd won't tell' isn't a valid one in my opinion. You may as well prerecord a set and press play because 'the crowd won't know' as well.. those attitudes will eventually destroy DJing and underground club culture, not to mention dubplate and system culture.

Just my 2 pennies!

I mean I dunno like, I buy 320s now, cos I dont wanna pay more for wav's, but like if i started playing out, and people paid me, and I could afford to buy more music, then id probably just buy it all on vinyl, i wouldnt go through and re buy all my music in wav, and still, i dunno if i would even buy wav, paying more money for different 1's and 0's, I dont mind paying more for a product, but i aint paying more for a digital file that i can hardly find any discernible difference.

you talk about setling for less, but most club goers are fucked out their head anyway, and with that high level of sound, your ears get fucked and you come away with muffled hearing for 2 days lol. real life sounds like mp3 then haha

Thats my point, these things happen because we settle for less. Plus being fucked can actually improve your hearing and audio appreciation, its just most people get fucked to mosh instead haha. Is that a valid reason to settle for less? I'd disagree. I personally would always go for and try for the best where possible, other people are quite happy settling at a lower level. I don't mean that in an audio sense but you get the picture. Connecting back to the original topic I'm the opposite to you, when I buy digital I buy WAVs because I could quite easily download the tunes illegally and they'll more than likely be 320s.. despite not being able to tell the difference I feel the quality difference justifies my money haha, it makes no sense and its a fucked up logic but it works for me.

You also mentioned how 192kbps you start hearing quality loss.. If WAVs were the social norm would that cause mixes, podcasts ect. to be released at 320? As far as I'm aware the main reason for releasing podcasts and mixes at lower than 320 is because 320 is the social norm and they don't want people ripping the tunes at that quality.. maybe if WAV was the social norm mixes and podcasts would be at 320 which isn't a very noticable difference.

[dickman69]

Lol fuck everyone

[hifi]

"Honestly, I don't care. I don't even know why I'm arguing this - it's rudimentary." then proceeds to continue for the next 6 pages

[fractal]

I have to say, that if given the option to buy a 24 bit 96khz music file, I'd buy it. It certainly can't hurt to have a nice collection of high quality music for the future. But the stuff just isn't available! I'm not arguing against quality here, I love quality. I'll buy a 4k projector too when they come out! I just don't see why people are moaning about 320 mp3, especially in a club where it's noisy and the sound system is set up to just blast music as loud as possible. It's hardly an ideal listening environment.

wut

[deadly_habit]

Good read I just snagged off my twitter feed, George RR Martin on Piracy

Piracy

GRRM: We are the most pirated show in the world. In a strange way that's a compliment. It's the sort of compliment that you could do without, probably, but it is a compliment nonetheless. I know that a lot of that piracy is taking place in Australia, where for whatever reason they delay the show six months. So people are just anxious to see it. I think we're seeing — we're still right in the midst of a whole new template evolving for television and film entertainment. And the old template, where shows were made in America, and then they were sold to foreign broadcasters who would show them the next week, or the next month, or six months later, or six years later, or whenever they felt like it — that's breaking down. Because it is a global marketplace.

And it's breaking down in publishing, too. I mean my British publishers and my American publishers coordinated to release the last book so they came out on the same day. Because otherwise, with Amazon and other online book sellers, if it comes out in one country before the other country, whoever is later loses thousands of sales because of people ordering it. So you're seeing — and new delivery methods, like Netflix. You know they just released an entire series that's never been broadcast. You just get it, and you get it all at once, and you binge watch it.

I think nobody knows what the final shape of all these things are gonna be. Just when you think you perceive what the new template is, some other new innovation comes along and changes all the rules. So they're interesting times for people. But fortunately I don't have to worry about that. I'm writing about a medieval land where they do communicate by tying messages to the legs of ravens, and they can't get anywhere faster than where they can get on a horse. Or perhaps a dragon, but they're only a few of those. So, I leave this to the guys in the suits and the guys with the really big computers who understand that stuff and they can figure out the business models. I'll just tell my stories.

Do those guys in suits have some sort of responsibility to release content quicker to meet the demand that's out there?

GRRM: I don't know if I'd use the word responsibility, but I think it would be good business. I think it would cut down on some of the piracy that's a problem. You know, if Australia was getting the show the same day that America was getting the show, then maybe the Australians wouldn't be downloading hundreds of thousands of copies. But I don't know. Why do Australian broadcasters choose to delay it? They have reasons; you'd have to go to Australia and ask them. But I guess that's a model of how they want to present it to their audience and what time they want to present.

But one of the great things about this show in particular is that it does have such a tremendous global audience. I mean, we are the — globally — the biggest show that HBO has ever done. We've sold in more foreign markets than even The Sopranos, which was I think their previous show. Domestically I think we're about the third most-successful show HBO has done, after The Sopranos and True Blood, but internationally we're up there.

And I think it's because some of the other shows are very, very specifically American. I mean The Sopranos was a great, great, great show. Marvelous writing, marvelous acting. But about a mafia guy in New Jersey. I'm a guy from New Jersey. I wasn't in the Mafia, but you know they got all the New Jersey stuff right, but I don't know if in Slovenia, and India, and Singapore they're that interested in guys in New Jersey and what their problems are.

But they're interested in the universals. People can look back to the medieval times. I mean virtually all human civilizations went through some version of this, when there were no guns and people were fighting with swords and armor and so forth, and virtually every civilization has its own legends of magics and warriors with magical powers and heros and villains of the past. So it strikes a universal theme. I think that's why we're doing so well internationally.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/41316 ... -shows-hbo