Black Pride vs. White Pride

[Laszlo]

It wasn't a personal attack and what may seem obvious to you or me mightn't be so obvious to others.

There are some sections of white people who are as good as blameless when it comes to slavery. For people to think (i'm not saying you, cheeky, or indeed anyone else in this thread) that all white people should share in some form of guilt for what went on hundreds of years ago is just wrong.

[Dystinkt]

It wasn't a personal attack and what may seem obvious to you or me mightn't be so obvious to others.

There are some sections of white people who are as good as blameless when it comes to slavery. For people to think (i'm not saying you, cheeky, or indeed anyone else in this thread) that all white people should share in some form of guilt for what went on hundreds of years ago is just wrong.

fair enough i understand your point now pal, i dont think its a shared guilt we should all have, just awareness so we don't allow anything on that scale to ever happen again.

[Genevieve]

I think we as people should be aware of general violence, that happened et masse in the past and still happens, on any scale, at present. The perpetrators of violence in the past should be held up as examples of what we shouldn't be like. And modern perpetrators should be held accountable. The reason why anyone innitiates violence against anyone shouldn't be relevant, just that they do it.

[Laszlo]

@ Cheeky - Word.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

[dickman69]

"Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it." - George Costanza

[frank grimes jr.]

HUMAN RACE

[skell1ngton777]

who's gonna win it

[Genevieve]

white pple obv duhhh

[skell1ngton777]

well yeah but u not suposed to say it out loud these days

[frank grimes jr.]

Nobody wins.

[magma]

"My son is treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

[Genevieve]

well yeah but u not suposed to say it out loud these days

u tricked me mayne

[jorge]

The reason why anyone innitiates violence against anyone shouldn't be relevant, just that they do it.

Why not? surely understanding why someone is violent will help them to be less violent and will also help to prevent further violence.

Also, while it may not be the white people of today who created/perpetuated slavery the effects of it are still reverberating and the west is in some ways still benefiting from it.
In america black people (which may be a social construct but it doesnt make it any less of a reality in the minds of most people) are still discriminated against massively and are far more likely to be arrested and put in prison than whites and so saying, 'slavery has nothing to do with me' is far to reductionist and misses the lasting effect that it has had on the world.

[Genevieve]

Well, yeah, I probably phrased it poorly. But not every racist person is violent and not every jealous person is gonna kill their wives for cheating on them or something. We need to understand why any person would let those feelings of hate drive them to the point of wanting to hurt someone. But to me, any violence is bad. Whether it's rape or slavery or just cold blooded, sadistic murder. The thought behind it, be it racism or sexism doesn't make the violent act worse and is irrelevant to the violence itself

[kay]

Fuck circumstantial pride. If it's not something you've done to be proud of then you're just a scrub hanging out of your best friend's ride.

I would say fuck pride in general, its all circumstantial really.

When do you ever have full responsibility for what youve done and what is pride good for apart from a bit of self satisfaction?

I can't say for you, but I feel pride when I know I've done a good job. I also know damn well when I've had full responsibility for getting something done, and also when I had to work together with other people to do it. If you're not at all proud/happy of what you've done then why would you ever bother doing it well?

[wubstep]

*Something about the White Panthers*

cos they were fucking rad.

"Total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock and roll, dope, and fucking in the streets."

[scspkr99]

Fuck circumstantial pride. If it's not something you've done to be proud of then you're just a scrub hanging out of your best friend's ride.

I would say fuck pride in general, its all circumstantial really.

When do you ever have full responsibility for what youve done and what is pride good for apart from a bit of self satisfaction?

I can't say for you, but I feel pride when I know I've done a good job. I also know damn well when I've had full responsibility for getting something done, and also when I had to work together with other people to do it. If you're not at all proud/happy of what you've done then why would you ever bother doing it well?

So I agree with the last post here entirely. I agree in principle with the post on taking pride in circumstance but I think it's possible to express pride in who you are without it being inherently negative.

Essentially I think shame and pride should be reserved for a persons actions, if I didn't do something I won't be ashamed of another's actions because I share something with them whether it's race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation or whatever. By the same token I shouldn't therefore take pride in something I have no control over but I don't belong to any groups that have been subject to the kinds of discrimination other people have. For others it's possible that an expression of pride is a reaction to the shame that has previously been experienced due to the way a person has been treated for reasons race or gender or sexual orientation or whatever.

Just as it's possible for legitimate pride in what you've done to be expressed positively it's also possible for that pride to manifest negatively. Pride has some negative connotations due to how it's represented not because of what it is. If it is possible to express a pride in what you've done negatively I think it's also possible to express a pride in who you are positively as long as it isn't to the detriment of someone else.

This I think is at the core of this threads question. I think it's possible for black pride or gay pride to be expressed as a statement of positivity while that's not going to be the case for either white pride or straight pride. That's not to say all expressions of black pride or gay pride are inherently positive just that they aren't necessarily negative.

[HamCrescendo]

Anyone who expresses 'straight pride' is obviously gay as fuck. No excuses, they love the D.

[sigbowls]

vag pride or gtf on my dick