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Post by murky21 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:55 pm

like many others, i only just really started taking notes of Bitcoins. Spend the last couple of days reading up on it properly, really interesting stuff.
Obviously also really pissed I didn't get involved a year ago!

http://mashable.com/2013/04/09/bitcoin-hits-200/
The value of Bitcoin, the much-buzzed about digital currency, hit $200 on Tuesday for the first time, more than doubling in a just over a week.

Bitcoin's value has exploded in recent weeks fueled in part by economic uncertainty in Europe and an increasing amount of media coverage of the currency, which has been around since 2009. As you can see in the chart below, Bitcoin's value went from just more than $30 at the end of February to $100 in the very beginning of April and it is currently hovering around $210.

Bitcoin passed another big milestone this week as well. The total value of all Bitcoins in circulation — nearly 11 million of them — topped $2 billion for the first time and is now more than $2.3 billion.

While Bitcoin has enjoyed incredible growth recently, the currency has also suffered sudden and severe drops in value. The currency lost more than a quarter of its value last week after the largest market for trading Bitcoins suffered an outage, and it dropped by 10% on Monday in a matter of minutes without explanation. Bitcoin's rapid rise has also fueled concerns that it is just experiencing a bubble, which could pop at any moment.
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Bitcoin Is A Disruptive Technology http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/ ... echnology/
A financial network is a technological platform that people build businesses on top of. And the traditional banking and credit card networks are closed platforms. If you want to build an e-commerce site, a payment network like Paypal, or any other service that deals in dollars, you need to convince incumbent financial institutions to do business with you. Getting such a partnership is difficult and involves a lot of red tape.

There’s a good reason for the high barrier to entry: electronic transactions in the conventional banking system are generally reversible. If someone makes a fraudulent charge to your credit card, you can dispute the transaction and in most cases the bank or the merchant, not the customer, will cover the cost. That’s convenient for consumers, but it requires the financial system to be a fairly close-knit web of trust. Allowing a new member into the club creates risks for everyone else. So the incumbents are understandably reluctant to deal with anyone who isn’t well-known and well-capitalized.

Bitcoin is different. Because transactions are authenticated cryptographically and cannot be reversed, there’s no need to restrict access to the network. There’s no risk to accepting payments from complete strangers. That means people don’t need anyone’s permission or trust to go into business as a Bitcoin-based merchant or financial intermediary. Accepting Bitcoins also allows merchants to avoid much of the administrative overhead, like dealing with chargebacks, that come with a conventional merchant account.

Of course, what looks like a plus for merchants can look more like a minus for consumers. Consumers generally like the conventional banking system’s strong consumer protections. We like the fact that we’re not on the hook for fraudulent banking transactions, and that the FDIC will make us whole if the bank holding our money goes bottom-up.

And Bitcoin looks inferior to the conventional banking system in other ways too. Visa and Mastercard are accepted at millions of locations around the world. Only a handful of merchants accept Bitcoins. Conventional banks have elaborate websites with features like direct deposite of paychecks and automatic bill-paying. Dealing with Bitcoin is too intimidating for all but a tiny minority of tech-savvy enthusiasts.

If you’ve read Clay Christensen’s The Innovator’s Dilemma, the last three paragraphs should ring a bell. The book’s argument helps to explain why a seemingly inferior payment network like Bitcoin has generated so much excitement.

The term Christensen coined, “disruptive innovation,” has become so overused as to become a cliche. But he gave it a fairly precise meaning with a lot of explanatory power. A disruptive technology is one that’s simpler and cheaper than what’s already on the market. Often, disruptive technologies are also inferior to what’s already on the market. They tend to be dismissed as impractical toys by industry incumbents.

The PC is a classic example of a disruptive innovation. The first PCs were much less capable than mini-computers and mainframes that were already on the market at the time. They had less powerful hardware and software and little if any customer support. And if you’d asked a hobbyist circa 1978 what PCs were good for, he probably wouldn’t have had a good answer.

But the low cost and simplicity of PCs meant that a lot more people could play around with them. One of those tinkerers, Dan Bricklin, invented the spreadsheet, the PC’s first “killer app.” And over time, people gradually figured out how to use these cheap, simple computers to perform functions that had previously required a computer that cost ten times as much. Most “servers” today are just souped-up PCs, and they’re orders of magnitude cheaper than computers that existed before 1975.

The Bitcoin economy today looks a lot like the PC market circa 1978. Most people today look at Bitcoin and see an impractical curiosity. They’re happy with the banking services they’ve already got and can’t imagine why anyone would want to use an alternative currency that’s much less widely accepted and offers many fewer consumer protections.

But a minority of nerds are playing around with it. Interesting applications keep popping up. There are Bitcoin-based banks, casinos, drug emporia, derivatives markets, retailers, and much more. Many of the new applications seem weird or marginal, and most of them probably won’t amount to anything. But one of them might prove to be Bitcoin’s Visicalc.

When people dismiss Bitcoins because they can’t think of how they’d use it, they’re missing the fact that Bitcoin is a platform, not a product in its own right. When ordinary users started buying computers, it wasn’t because they thought it would be cool to own a computer. They did it because they wanted to do spreadsheets or word processing or email. Similarly, ordinary users aren’t going to start using Bitcoins just because it’s a cool technology. If normal users start using Bitcoin, it will be because they’re interested in gambling, or cheap international money transfers, or some other applications that hasn’t been invented yet. And Bitcoin’s intermediary-free architecture means that many more people can try their hand at building the platform’s killer app.

Disclosure: I own some bitcoins.

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Re: Bitcoin

Post by AxeD » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:57 pm

I predict there will be a lot of people with a lot of useless bitcoins, very soon.
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Post by murky21 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:03 pm

Ok. That's interesting considering A) a minute amount of people currenlty have them due to limited availabilty and B) considering the valuing is skyrocketing I.e your opinion is the polar opposite to the vast majority of people

Their value and the bubble will probably crash, but the concept/ technology is here to stay

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Post by wub » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:05 pm

I still don't get how this works.

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Post by yoowan » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:11 pm

Who's manufacturing the physical bitcoins?
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Post by Forum » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:12 pm

Are these like pogs?
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Re: Bitcoin

Post by murky21 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:13 pm

yoowan wrote:Who's manufacturing the physical bitcoins?
Physical Bitcoins arent really the point at the moment.

read this
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/08/how-to-mine-bitcoins/

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Post by wub » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:15 pm

So I get a fancy PC, install a mining program, point it at something and wait for the moneys?

(laymans terms/gist of it?)

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Post by nousd » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:18 pm

teev item here about a guy who got ripped off when he went to redeem his 5 years worth of purchases
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given that they seem to be a tax dodge as well as a way of buying contraband
surely, now that they now represent a substantial value,
international law enforcement & tax agencies are gunna come down hard
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Re: Bitcoin

Post by murky21 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:18 pm

nah join a pool or a co-op. or just buy them on an exchange market (probably not right now though!)

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Post by Electric_Head » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:21 pm

Is this like diablo money?
Will I be able to buy a mace?
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Post by Sexual_Chocolate » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:32 pm

Electric_Head wrote:Is this like diablo money?
Will I be able to buy a mace?
yes, but you will only be able to use it when you're connected to the internet.
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Post by Genevieve » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:34 pm

murky21 wrote:Their value and the bubble will probably crash, but the concept/ technology is here to stay
Werd.

The philosophical basis of this is the decentralization of currency from governments and hand it to the people. Basically, it's a libertarian's wet dream (and libertarian philosophy got this started).

The strength of a currency SHOULD be determined by the people using it, not by some central agency that doesn't care about people. Even if the bitcoin as a CURRENCY fails, it kickstarted a very powerful idea. Bitcoins are also used on online black markets like the Silk Road where people buy drugs, weapons and all sort of shit.

I'm for it. I almost bought some not a long time ago.
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Post by Electric_Head » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:46 pm

Nevalo wrote:
Electric_Head wrote:Is this like diablo money?
Will I be able to buy a mace?
yes, but you will only be able to use it when you're connected to the internet.
Can I use my dongle?
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Re: Bitcoin

Post by jorge » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:55 pm

just been mesmerised by this for a few minutes

http://www.listentobitcoin.com/

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Post by lowphat » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:00 pm

I've been using BTC for a while now, about 1.5 years I guess. The money I've made off of a couple of forgotten BTC is unbelievable.. not cashing out yet though ;)

https://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=light

Been very exciting.

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Post by AxeD » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:29 pm

murky21 wrote:Ok. That's interesting considering A) a minute amount of people currenlty have them due to limited availabilty and B) considering the valuing is skyrocketing I.e your opinion is the polar opposite to the vast majority of people

Their value and the bubble will probably crash, but the concept/ technology is here to stay
I only read the opinion of one economist and based mine on that and sense.
But yeah I meant it is going to crash ard.

Still, it's very interesting. I'm not being negative towards the idea, just concluding that it'll most likely crash fast.

(I'm little negative when it comes to the huge amounts of processing power and actual power it's going to take when it blows up)
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Post by Benji » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:00 pm

wub wrote:So I get a fancy PC, install a mining program, point it at something and wait for the moneys?

(laymans terms/gist of it?)
Pretty much, or just get specific hardware for it

https://products.butterflylabs.com

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Post by ehbes » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:11 pm

Don't people like sonicare use bitcoins to buy drugs on the Silk Road
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