mixing kick and bass

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:17 pm

yeh basically when im making basslines, i make em rumble so much that it goes orangey on the console in reason 3 and my speakers vibrate, then i love putting up those kicks up, adding mad bass to them too...

however, i think what im doing is wrong?

should the bass from the kick and bassline be interfering with each other? it sounds so raw but i feel like it aint cosher in the world of production...

anyone?

safe

martello · Post by **martello** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:24 pm

hi...my advice is monitor with spec. analyzer your kick and bass and check that frequency spaces do not match in area, where analyzer shows the highest peak, play with EQ-s if they match or try different kick sample....

just a thought
cheers
mista Martello

press · Post by **press** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:29 pm

you should seperate the frequencies definitly. they will clash/muddy up the mix if the kick is to subby and or the sub is to middy in the same frequencies as the kick.

as a general rule i tend to scoop out a lil notch of the sub at about 70-80. do a lil spike at 60 for the sub. then highpass the kick under 70 and low pass it a bit up in the high end then give it a small bump in the 70-80 range. sometimes a bump in the higher end for the kick to for some smack but usually i just choose thwacky kicks that dont need any boost up there.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:19 pm

do what yr doin'. then listen to tracks you like at the same volume. compare. adjust.

pushre · Post by **pushre** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:04 pm

Search for 'sidechain compression'...you'll be glad you did.

jera · Post by **jera** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:57 am

pushre wrote:Search for 'sidechain compression'...you'll be glad you did.

yea...still can't quite get my head round it though

vonboyage · Post by **vonboyage** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:58 am

jera wrote:
pushre wrote:Search for 'sidechain compression'...you'll be glad you did.
yea...still can't quite get my head round it though

Same here, i see alot of people talking bout it, im sure its invaluable to a producer once headwork'd

martello · Post by **martello** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:36 am

jera wrote:
pushre wrote:Search for 'sidechain compression'...you'll be glad you did.
yea...still can't quite get my head round it though

from other forum:

Basically sidechain compression is when you trigger a compressor using a signal different than the source.

Examples:

* You set the kick to trigger the compressor and you set the compressor on the bass. This will compress the bass on every kick drum to make room for the kickdrum.

* You have to do some voice overs. You set the voice to trigger the compressor and you put the compressor on your music track. Result is called "ducking", where the volume of the music will decrease when the person is speaking.

* You can set a hi hat pattern to trigger the compressor and use some long pads(you put the compressor on the pads)...It will do a gating effect that will chop up the pads...Really cool stuff.

FROM ANOTHER FORUM:

1) Start a new project, and create 3 tracks. One for a kick drum, one for a bass (or any instrument, be experimental) and a stereo group channel.

2) On the group channel, insert the "Waves C1-sc".

3) Pan the kick channel hard left, and the bass/instrument channel hard right.

4) Route the kick and the bass/instrument through the group channel.

5) Open the Waves C1-sc and set key mode to "L>R". Now the kick cannot be heard, and your bass should play through the right.

6) Open the main mixer (F3) and right click on the pan fader of the stereo group and click on "Stereo Dual Panner", then bring both sides into the center.

7) Open Waves C1-sc again, and set the threshold to -30bd. Now increase the ratio (I find that 1.5 - 2.0 is a good starting point).

There you have it, and you can then route any channel through the stereo group channel to get the desired effect.

maybe helps...

auan · Post by **auan** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:17 pm

Nice one alvin.

More sidechaining tutorials, for Fruity, Cubase SX 2/3, Reason and Ableton:
http://experimedia.net/page.php?id=102

pushre · Post by **pushre** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:25 pm

I realize you may not be using Live, but this http://www.ableton-live-fans.com/forum/ ... d.php?t=34 is a good tutorial anyway. You can pretty much apply the technique outlined in that thread to just about any host.

Took me a while to find a side-chain capable compressor I liked using, so you may want to try out some free ones, or a demo, until you find the one for you. I dig http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/gup-1.php, which is terribly easy to use...just activate SIDE CH, set the SIDE CHAIN FILTER range, and play around with the settings.

It may take a frustrating hour or so to figure it out, but it's worth it.

shortstuff · Post by **shortstuff** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:40 am

pushre wrote:Search for 'sidechain compression'...you'll be glad you did.

best thing i ever learnt... well, one of, and u can do it with all sorts of things... read recently that noisia do it with rides and kicks....

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:57 pm

summin El-b said in that production masterclass a few months ago on computer music mag, was to compress bass as well, fairly low ratio, fastish attack and release and then you can crank the output volume without getting that washed out sound on the rest of your sounds. (obviously it will happen eventually but it gives you more volume to play with)

3 things I ALWAYS do with kiks and bass now is EQ both, scooping out on the sub and peaking on the kick on the same freq.

compress the sub as above

and side chain

mixing kick and bass

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