free synths, or Massive, or...?

[nopEda]

I'd like to try some dubstep packs but almost all the ones I've seen have been for Massive. I think a couple were for Ableton. Is that a synth? I have the impression that Massive costs several hundred dollars which I can't afford, but when trying to find out by doing a search: download massive vst, I didn't see anything about price but saw several places saying we can download it free. Is that for real? If not, how much does it really cost and where to get it? Will massive do things other free synths won't and if so what makes it so much better? I saw some vids about wobbleboss which I think is around $100. Will that do pretty much what Massive will do? They were making some pretty good dubsteppy sounds with wobbleboss.

[titchbit]

you might want to read over the rules of this site before you say anything more. from what I interpreted, we can talk about "file-sharing culture" or whatever, but we can't post links. massive costs 200 if you actually buy it from native instruments --> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/pr ... e/pricing/. many people do download it for free, but that is illegal, for the record.

several things:

-Ableton is not a synth. It's a DAW (digital audio workstation). it's the broadest type of software. Synths work inside Ableton (unless you use them standalone).

-Massive is obviously better than most/all free synths, but I'm sure there's one out there that can do most of the stuff it can do. Rest assured that Massive is a very high quality synth.

-There is nothing that is "good for dubstep". all synths can make sounds for any genre. The only limitation for the wobble bass is an LFO. most decent synths will have an LFO.

-"wobbleboss"??? seriously?

[Today]

don't get wobbleboss

just tinker with the free stuff til you understand what you're buying. Then you can pick a synth that's right for you.
if you want to make wobbles i really like Reason. It has 3 synths that are all great for that kind of shit in different ways. And you can layer multiple instances of them in combinations using the same midi trigger, and they can even share modulation sources such as LFOs and envelopes and then you can mix their audio outputs exactly how you want.

honestly if you can get the hang of Reason you'll know how to basically use at least half the shit you will ever see in any studio

[claudedefaren]

If Massive is too pricey for you, Vember Audio Surge is just as good.

also there are several very nice free synths out there. Tyrell being one of them. There's another, it's called like Synth1 or something..

[Crimsonghost]

I had to google wobbleboss. I remember that shit. Mays lulz were had.

[titchbit]

oh and btw massive has a free demo version. you should check that out.

[claudedefaren]

Surge will do pretty much what massive will do, and more. And it's 100 bucks. Can't beat that.

[Dahneboy]

did you just say you think abelton is a synth..

[nopEda]

don't get wobbleboss
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honestly if you can get the hang of Reason you'll know how to basically use at least half the shit you will ever see in any studio

I'm using Reaper and paid my $60, so I'll stick with that for now. Can we download the synths Reason has and use them in Reaper?

[nopEda]

If Massive is too pricey for you, Vember Audio Surge is just as good.

also there are several very nice free synths out there. Tyrell being one of them. There's another, it's called like Synth1 or something..

I'll look up Tyrell and have Synth1, but can't find any presets in Synth1. In this thread:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=35324

they're talking about what may be the situation I'm in but I don't know what they're talking about or how to tell if that's what my problem is, or of course how to correct it if so. I'm trying to use it with Reaper and can get a number of other free synths to work fine like TAL Noisemaker and all the free TAL stuff, but can't find pre-sets for Synth1.

[nopEda]

-Ableton is not a synth. It's a DAW (digital audio workstation). it's the broadest type of software. Synths work inside Ableton (unless you use them standalone).

-Massive is obviously better than most/all free synths, but I'm sure there's one out there that can do most of the stuff it can do. Rest assured that Massive is a very high quality synth.

-There is nothing that is "good for dubstep". all synths can make sounds for any genre. The only limitation for the wobble bass is an LFO. most decent synths will have an LFO.

-"wobbleboss"??? seriously?

I'm using Reaper as a DAW and paid my $60, so I'll stick with that. I was a music major in college 30 years ago and would have LOVED to have stuff like this available. We had to write out music on staff paper but never knew what it really sounded like and always wondered. To be able to enter notes in the midi-editor using any instrument we want, and then add more and more...this is like 30 year old dream come true even though it's kicking my ass all over the place.

Why are people down on wobbleboss? From what I've seen in vids and read other places it sounds like the perfect thing for someone in my position. I'm not really a musician. I'm a lighting guy, but this dubstep and electronic music is a LOT more attractive and enjoyable than the damned fu#!*+#!@<<<*#!ng hiphop and rap crap that has been the only type dance music I've had to work with for the majority of the past couple of decades...uh...anyway... wobbleboss seems like a great thing for someone who just wants to play around and get an idea how to make some dubsteppy songs since a lot of great sounds are already in the presets. So, why not? Can you suggest something similar that would be better?

[ineffable]

I never used wobbleboss but a quick google search and I can already tell its one of those low quality plugins that the developers just focus on good marketing/buying good reviews to take money from all the people that want an easy way to do sound design and "sound like skrillex!!1!!11!!" (like dubturbo lol, pretty sure the guys who made wobbleboss made dubturbo too)

I advise against it, a quick search here on dsf will get you some good synths really

[mthrfnk]

[nopEda]

did you just say you think abelton is a synth..

If you're asking me, I didn't know. But now I do so I'm minisculey less ignorant

[Today]

dude wobbleboss just runs samples. It's not even a synth. They have chopped audio clips of shitty generic wubs and wobbles and you play the keys to trigger the samples.

You really need to NOT buy that.

Get tal elek7ro for free and learn yourself the basics of synthesis, then you can pick a better synth that's right for you when you've saved enough money and have some synthing skills under your belt.

Buying a sample-based wobble rompler is NOT the way to go. You can't create your own sounds on it.

[Eat Bass]

check the big guide to produce dubstep in the stickies at the top of this forum...it will tell you everything you need to know from daws, to synths, etc.

you need to get a daw in order to use a synth. i suggest you buy a daw and use the stock synths/plugins as those will be fine for you.

if your on a mac i suggest you get Logic since its only 200 dollars in the mac app store and has more than everything you need to produce a quality track.

if your on windows check out Reason, FL, or Fruity Loops. I would suggest Reaper but its kind of hard for a beginner to pick up.

[Today]

OP already has Reaper

[nopEda]

dude wobbleboss just runs samples. It's not even a synth. They have chopped audio clips of shitty generic wubs and wobbles and you play the keys to trigger the samples.

You really need to NOT buy that.

Get tal elek7ro for free and learn yourself the basics of synthesis, then you can pick a better synth that's right for you when you've saved enough money and have some synthing skills under your belt.

Buying a sample-based wobble rompler is NOT the way to go. You can't create your own sounds on it.

I've got the elek7ro and all the free tal stuff, and if you can suggest how to learn to understand how to manipulate sounds with any of them please do. I thought wobbleboss was a synth with a bunch of presets. If it's samples though I can use an SFZ player to enter stuff in the midi editor can't I? I like the sounds I heard from their vids, and haven't found all of them in presets I've got and so far can't do anything at all with changing sounds. That's a whole different thing and I do want to do it, but if I do learn to I'll want to make the sounds I work up into presets in the long run, right? It will always come down to presets whether I make them or get them somewhere else, right? Well....it will get down to the sounds however you come accross them because samples aren't presets. BTW can I take a sample of an instrument like a horn, run it with an SFZ player and use fx on it in the DAW to make it choppy or wobbly or whatever?

[Today]

you can do anything. You just need a capable sampler and a synth or two. You can absolutely make gnarly as fuck sounds, wobble, chopped, or otherwise out of samples such as horns/brass, electric guitar, pads, anything. you gotta learn how to process audio and use a sampler though.

Just trust me that if you buy wobbleboss, the sounds are wack, and there is zero potential for growth or expansion until they offer an expansion pack with more samples to buy for more money.

and their sounds are wack and u can't alter them to how you want.

I can't teach u synthesis in one post but trying to make wobbles was what got me into synthesis and from doing it i began to understand the different parts of a synth (oscillator, filter, modulators etc) from there i got a lot better at it. You gotta read the sticky if you want instructions, otherwise just keep tinkering with it.

Just to start you off, the sound of a wobble is usually made by the opening and closing of a filter in a pulsing pattern, that is being controlled by an LFO. Could also be routed to the volume

[nopEda]

check the big guide to produce dubstep in the stickies at the top of this forum...it will tell you everything you need to know from daws, to synths, etc.
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if your on windows check out Reason, FL, or Fruity Loops. I would suggest Reaper but its kind of hard for a beginner to pick up.

I do have Reaper and have been managing to get things done with it, and I paid my $60 because it certainly seems well worth it. From reading and asking around in this forum I found out about and downloaded these free synths:

angular momentum: karbass, wavedraw, freehand, retronix, table synth
amvst unifyer
anti-traspirant
charlatan
crystal
dahornet
fmmf
hercs abakos
stepper4free
subduer
synth1
tal: noise maker, bassline, elek7ro, u-no-62
u-he zebra2

but still I like the sound I heard from the wobbleboss vids better than any of the presets I've heard in these synths so far. I thought wobbleboss was a synth with good presets. That's what I'm really after. There are probably good dubstep packs of presets for some of the synths I've got, but I don't know how to find them or how to apply them. I see lots of dubstep preset packs for Massive, and for Ableton which is what made me think it was a synth.