STUDIO - No MIX

[d-nile]

I just felt that slapping a load of accapellas over some pioneering producers and then giving yourself a vs credit was a bit gratuitous tbh...

the reason i put these together was to push a genre abit that id neva heard b4

That was why genre was brought into it - also calling it THUGSTEP does imply that it is a genre.

I didn't mean mash ups not translating well over here - I meant the whole rhyming over other peoples beats/version mixtape thing a la green lantern not working so well in the UK - I think it's more of an established musical thing over in the US isn't it?

I didn't know the background to the DJ Nappy thing so I wasn't jumping on the bandwagon there- I just didn't think it was a very creative thing to do.

Regarding my use of the term niche - I don't want dubstep to stay in some dark lock up in croydon but at the same time I don't want to to become the backing track for loads of mainstream hip hop and crunk raps which aren't to my taste.

It's just my opinion - I am no purist but I think mixing dubstep with a load of mtv friendly 'in da club' style stuff is not the best direction for the genre.

Regarding hip hop mash ups - I have actually had a fair bit of acclaim doing them over here (not telling you who as though) so you could describe me as being slightly hypocritical - but I don't really endorse that sort of thing any more - I think re-edits/remixes/mash ups don't help original material sell because the public will always go for something familiar rather than something fresh...

I think it makes more sense to do mash ups/remixes in the hip hop context a bit more than in dubstep - it seems a bit cheesy to do it in dubstep tbh!

Apart from that one I did called Fire Drill LOL!

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Lil' Two Oh One

[khal]

I didn't mean mash ups not translating well over here - I meant the whole rhyming over other peoples beats/version mixtape thing a la green lantern not working so well in the UK - I think it's more of an established musical thing over in the US isn't it?

I didn't know the background to the DJ Nappy thing so I wasn't jumping on the bandwagon there- I just didn't think it was a very creative thing to do.

Regarding my use of the term niche - I don't want dubstep to stay in some dark lock up in croydon but at the same time I don't want to to become the backing track for loads of mainstream hip hop and crunk raps which aren't to my taste.

It's just my opinion - I am no purist but I think mixing dubstep with a load of mtv friendly 'in da club' style stuff is not the best direction for the genre.

Regarding hip hop mash ups - I have actually had a fair bit of acclaim doing them over here (not telling you who as though) so you could describe me as being slightly hypocritical - but I don't really endorse that sort of thing any more - I think re-edits/remixes/mash ups don't help original material sell because the public will always go for something familiar rather than something fresh...

I think it makes more sense to do mash ups/remixes in the hip hop context a bit more than in dubstep - it seems a bit cheesy to do it in dubstep tbh!

Apart from that one I did called Fire Drill LOL!

1) i think its just a hip-hop thing. might be a reason why "pure dubstep heads" might not get it. i've heard UK MCs chop it up over people's beats before... first thing that comes to mind is the 1xtra mc's doing their own version of "rapper's delight"... might be more "established" in the US, but it's not entirely uncommon...

2) i understand not wanting the mainstream to come in... but you have to realize that the idea of blends/mashups is not necessarily a mainstream thing. remember "grey tuesday", and the whole jay-z vs the beatles debacle? its not a widely accepted thing in the first place... how putting rap vocals over dubstep = converting millions to dubstep is a bit of a fantasy, don't you think? i've seen these refixes get a party live, but i don't think it's going to bring many to dubstep, or crunk rap for that matter. the funny thing is, its not about that. just like any dj tool, these refixes are something to enhance your sets. if you know how to work these tracks (like tipz does), you can really transition well - say going from a rap set into a thugstep track into an extended dubstep set... bridge the gap, as opposed to flood the market.

3) trust - most of these rap tracks arent mtv friendly. aside from some of the major ones (rich boy, lil wayne, etc.), many of the thugstep refixes out there aren't from radio hits - just acapellas. show me a top10 that has jody breeze's "rookie of the year" in their top10 and i will be astonished...

4) again, these refixes aren't trying to help sell anything. they can be seen as more of experiments, an idea as opposed to a way of life, or a new genre. some call thugstep a new genre, but there's nothing new about it. its the similarities, the fact that SO MUCH "CRUNK" RAP sounds good over dubstep tracks that drove these refixes. no monetary gain at all.

5) dunno how the idea is cheesy? i'd think going into the opposite direction, like with grime or breaks would have been ultra cheese. the dubstep sound, esp with the rougher basslines, it can make some of the licks sound gritty as hell.

probably just my opinion.

[jim]

It's a load of artless wank that manages to ruin two perfectly enjoyable genres at the one time.

[kulture]

you people are gettin far too deep into this.. crunk is just whack music

[d-nile]

I agree with some of your points khal - I am by no means a dubstep purist in terms of my listening - but I might be a puritan when it comes to what I want IN dubstep so you may be right about that point...

I just think it cheapens the producers who made the track - but as someone who has had a big involvment in pirate soul - I have no place to moan!

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Lil' Two Oh One

Where can I get that tune? Sounds ace!

[xi]

I honestly have no problem with any of this, as long as no one is trying to play it off as original tracks, or a new sub-genre. Even the tunes that I've, or EMU, or JSL, done wouldn't qualify as "thugstep" cause they're just remixes, not a new type of track.

This whole idea of sub categorizing a genre is ludicrous anyway, do you tell DMZ they make "raggahallstep"? or 2oh1 thats he's making "machinestep"? loetech on an "electrostep" ting! Kode 9 on a "technostep" vibe!

In any event, it mostly seems like a conflict of people not wanting it (dubstep) to be tainted in some way, but then trying not be purists, but also someone with a lack lustre idea trying to push it all around.

CRUNK IS GOOD
DUBSTEP IS GOOD

LETS ALL GO FOR A PINT, K!?

[xi]

addendum:

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... sc&start=0

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I spend money conspicuously

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Lil' Two Oh One

Where can I get that tune? Sounds ace!

It's coming right up, next.

[seckle]

just because there's a set of generally accepted behavior and tolerance in one genre of music, doesn't mean that you should automatically apply that thinking to other genre's because you think you're entitled to do so. in hip hop, dancehall and other types of urban music , "mash ups" and "blends" are accepted by the culture and by that community. 90% these mashes and blends are using acapellas from major labels . these major labels have marketing depts, radio depts, and their budgets are factored in with mp3 losses before things even hit the stores. major labels release acapellas for just that reason. so that they can be blended, remixed and re-hyped if you will.

dubstep doesn't have millions of dollars supporting it. you're talking about people in the underground here, spending hours and days honing their skills and craft in small bedroom studios. maybe some of these people don't mind that their beats are being blended and repackaged, by someone on the otherside of the planet.

the case here was a considerable group of people in our community, producers included, that vehemently opposed the use of their beats without the common courtesy of consent first. unlike other genre's of music, you're going to find that many of this scene's biggest names want to control the output of their hard work as long as possible. this is multiplied by the fact that this music is still largely underground outside of the uk, so you'd have to understand the sensitivity to this.

the other side issue here was how aggressively this was handled on our forum. a group of people (yes, i'm sorry but it was pack mentality here) attacking and provoking members as well as moderators isn't going to give people warm feelings about what's being marketed.

let's not continue the soap opera on here by pushing this "thugstep vs dubstep" spin doctor attitude because the reality is that it'll turn itself and be used as guerrilla marketing.

of course in the larger sense, we're supporting a genre that doesn't have "rules", but that doesn't mean that pissing people off should be the way forward. i wish all the thugsteppers well, but maybe turn down the aggression, and hype tactics and try to see other people's thinking on this and you might find people more responsive.

[parson]

i listened to the mix and liked it

[khal]

just because there's a set of generally accepted behavior and tolerance in one genre of music, doesn't mean that you should automatically apply that thinking to other genre's because you think you're entitled to do so. in hip hop, dancehall and other types of urban music , "mash ups" and "blends" are accepted by the culture and by that community. 90% these mashes and blends are using acapellas from major labels . these major labels have marketing depts, radio depts, and their budgets are factored in with mp3 losses before things even hit the stores. major labels release acapellas for just that reason. so that they can be blended, remixed and re-hyped if you will.

dubstep doesn't have millions of dollars supporting it. you're talking about people in the underground here, spending hours and days honing their skills and craft in small bedroom studios. maybe some of these people don't mind that their beats are being blended and repackaged, by someone on the otherside of the planet.

the case here was a considerable group of people in our community, producers included, that vehemently opposed the use of their beats without the common courtesy of consent first. unlike other genre's of music, you're going to find that many of this scene's biggest names want to control the output of their hard work as long as possible. this is multiplied by the fact that this music is still largely underground outside of the uk, so you'd have to understand the sensitivity to this.

the other side issue here was how aggressively this was handled on our forum. a group of people (yes, i'm sorry but it was pack mentality here) attacking and provoking members as well as moderators isn't going to give people warm feelings about what's being marketed.

let's not continue the soap opera on here by pushing this "thugstep vs dubstep" spin doctor attitude because the reality is that it'll turn itself and be used as guerrilla marketing.

of course in the larger sense, we're supporting a genre that doesn't have "rules", but that doesn't mean that pissing people off should be the way forward. i wish all the thugsteppers well, but maybe turn down the aggression, and hype tactics and try to see other people's thinking on this and you might find people more responsive.

some very good points in here. i've understood what you guys were saying from jump, even if i do not agree with a lot of it.

the one thing you said which is counter to the way this whole situation is the "thugstep vs dubstep" attitude... that wasn't given forth by nappy or myself. that's a by-product of the "pack mentality" of which you spoke on in your post. i've got love for dubstep, i have ever since i got wind of what dmz has been doing almost a year or 2 ago... being a long time dub head, its something that i'm about. i've embraced dubstep, and nappy got turned on to it as well. no one was trying to slight dubstep, or start a new subgenre or faction off, that wasnt the case at all. again, that's something that happened on this board - with threads with a mention of "thugstep" being moved to the "other music" section of the board. that's on you and the staff here, not us.

nuff respect for voicing your conerns and feelings.

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