MUST DIE! Vowel bass help

[Eskimo]

i dont understand what you mean by misinformation" im just trying to help you lol i use wow all the time i know what im talking about both from experience and working with others its really not complicated

Soon you'll like become the EliTheGreat of dubstepforum

[AntidoteWasTaken]

Thanks for all the help in the early posts, and to the guy saying not to buy a FLP to learn, all I have to say is that if I'm trying to learn a new vst or trying to figure out how to make a sound, then however I need to do that is up to me. If I want to buy a FLP then ill buy one.
All I'm really saying is that in my opinion, the guy who goes through, deconstructs, and learn what makes a patch good, will always be better then the guy who just twiddled knobs for hours on end, or the guy who copied settings.
Any ways im a try some more bass making in a bit and post my results.

[mthrfnk]

Thanks for all the help in the early posts, and to the guy saying not to buy a FLP to learn, all I have to say is that if I'm trying to learn a new vst or trying to figure out how to make a sound, then however I need to do that is up to me. If I want to buy a FLP then ill buy one.
All I'm really saying is that in my opinion, the guy who goes through, deconstructs, and learn what makes a patch good, will always be better then the guy who just twiddled knobs for hours on end, or the guy who copied settings.
Any ways im a try some more bass making in a bit and post my results.

Apologies for kinda derailing this thread man, I had to chip in

[AntidoteWasTaken]

Thanks for all the help in the early posts, and to the guy saying not to buy a FLP to learn, all I have to say is that if I'm trying to learn a new vst or trying to figure out how to make a sound, then however I need to do that is up to me. If I want to buy a FLP then ill buy one.
All I'm really saying is that in my opinion, the guy who goes through, deconstructs, and learn what makes a patch good, will always be better then the guy who just twiddled knobs for hours on end, or the guy who copied settings.
Any ways im a try some more bass making in a bit and post my results.

Apologies for kinda derailing this thread man, I had to chip in

Dont worry about that I've learned a long time ago not to care about some people on this forum lol

[LogiSpark]

Thanks for disregarding my questions and instead calling me thick and over complicated? Ok come back to me when you actually get an education and start to post decent info on this forum.

Seriously what's wrong with buying an project to deconstruct, if you're a complete beginner. Ok it might be cheating or taking the easy route but if it helps you achieve your final goal then so what?

Still waiting on you posting some mad growls bro.

im at school man i cant upload shit , maybe when i get home and i dont know man but you wont see things if you just download them , its more fun imo getting to learn or teaching yourself, yet this forum offers enough help to keep you going , this forum helped me before and imo it would be nice to give back in return

and so what when you get to your goal how do you feel? its better to feel you really owned your way to your spot , and you learn wayy way more teaching yourself in the way , so instead of watching a video you teach yourself things you did not know about but helps you or you find things you werent looking for but helps you alot. the thing about music is you need to feel it not shortcut your way, beethoven didnt take any shortcuts, he developed a passion for the hard work he put in and even then after he went deaf he kept going on what he loved because his over all experience on learning made his bond stronger with music im no music wizard but i know some stuff other people took a shortcut dont know

I usually learn by looking, But I can get some pretty cool basses without help. Just muck around with stuff and you'll come across the sexiest thing ever

[Toolman4]

...I'm sure the original patch/sustained patch had minor formant modulation going on. While there is a clear definition to the modulating, the formant filtering/eqing isn't as deep as others that I've heard. I'd figure one or more formant versions of an osc in massive OR several resamples of layering a formant EQ/filter like WoW.

There is always two 'general' ways of pushing a sound in aggressive bass music (growls, reeses, etc)...Either A) Design a sustained patch with a bunch of modulation, then proceed to chopping it up and arranging in context. OR B) Designing a sound with a modulation, then pushing it with resamples/Freq splits.

A) design a patch with envelopes/lfo's/step seqs/ macros on parameters, and make sure the patch changes over time. Slow modulations over a longer period of time generally work best b/c when/if you were to resample, plugging the clip in a sampler will yield interesting results. Also consider layering multiple instances of massive (the same patch) and tweak each instance. THEN bounce out...

B) Synthesize a very clear modulated movement (Pitch bend, envelope, lfo / sequence) and then resample that bitch

Either way, there are (in my personal experience so far) 2 MAJOR concepts to pay attention to with your ears: 1) Gentle application of FX over time/little at a time/slow and steady/etc.We've seem to make peace with this, though it's important to keep practicing, ESPECIALLY in conjunction with 2) Pay very very very close attention to phasing/voicing. Don't let a sound get too thick too fast. Again, go slow and steady with how you change your sound, and you'll be more pleased with the results.

Cheers All

[Sure_Fire]

You can get similar basses out of sytrus, with help from a decent distortion unit like ohmicide. A HP filter after the distortion in the FX chain with a max value of 45% would probably do the trick, modulated with a LP straight outta sytrus. Takes a while to understand how to get wet sounds out of sytrus, but once you do it's much better than anything massive can do ;D

[Gravehill]

I recommend you watch SeamlessR on YouTube if you want help on FM Synthesis, he uses FL Studio but if you don't use FLS...then this is all I can do, other people might help though. If you do have FLS and a little cash, you can buy his FLPs of his music on Black Octopus Sound. His remix of Skrillex's "Make it Bun Dem" is for free, and that contains some FM Synthesis tactics

you must be very thick if your planning on buying an flp to become a better producer , and to the guy that posted the topic vowel bass can easily be achieved with wow filter, or modern talking that every one hates on but still uses

lol literally no one uses modern talking

[PillowFight]

I recommend you watch SeamlessR on YouTube if you want help on FM Synthesis, he uses FL Studio but if you don't use FLS...then this is all I can do, other people might help though. If you do have FLS and a little cash, you can buy his FLPs of his music on Black Octopus Sound. His remix of Skrillex's "Make it Bun Dem" is for free, and that contains some FM Synthesis tactics

you must be very thick if your planning on buying an flp to become a better producer , and to the guy that posted the topic vowel bass can easily be achieved with wow filter, or modern talking that every one hates on but still uses

lol literally no one uses modern talking

A TON of big name people use modern talking.

[Augment]

I recommend you watch SeamlessR on YouTube if you want help on FM Synthesis, he uses FL Studio but if you don't use FLS...then this is all I can do, other people might help though. If you do have FLS and a little cash, you can buy his FLPs of his music on Black Octopus Sound. His remix of Skrillex's "Make it Bun Dem" is for free, and that contains some FM Synthesis tactics

you must be very thick if your planning on buying an flp to become a better producer , and to the guy that posted the topic vowel bass can easily be achieved with wow filter, or modern talking that every one hates on but still uses

lol literally no one uses modern talking

A TON of big name people use modern talking.

too many do x.x

[DefeaterDub]

Modern Talking is a wavetable. A fantastic one. It can't suck. Throw that bitch on bend-/+ and throw the intensity at around 9 o'clock and you have a wet synth. However, the over used 'Yoi' vowel is so overused and annoying, I agree.

[Sure_Fire]

Modern Talking is a wavetable. A fantastic one. It can't suck. Throw that bitch on bend-/+ and throw the intensity at around 9 o'clock and you have a wet synth. However, the over used 'Yoi' vowel is so overused and annoying, I agree.

Duuuude there are so many better ones than modern talking. Digi-grain 2, arctic, lunacy, gentle speech as well as any formant wavetable with a bit of phase modulation get much better results. Modern talking doesn't suck but it sure isn't fantasic.

[PillowFight]

Modern Talking is a wavetable. A fantastic one. It can't suck. Throw that bitch on bend-/+ and throw the intensity at around 9 o'clock and you have a wet synth. However, the over used 'Yoi' vowel is so overused and annoying, I agree.

Duuuude there are so many better ones than modern talking. Digi-grain 2, arctic, lunacy, gentle speech as well as any formant wavetable with a bit of phase modulation get much better results. Modern talking doesn't suck but it sure isn't fantasic.

tell me, what exactly makes 1 wave-table "better" than another one? I want to know. lol

[sunny_b_uk]

this thread gives the lolz
anyway just practice, buy the seamless FLPs if you want but tbh i dont rate his tutorials he teaches the same thing over and over + over again.
using harmor or sytrus on its own or with simple layering will give great sounds, throwing it under vocodex and bunch of other plugins usually wrecks the sound quality. also resampling basses in harmor certainly wrecks the sound too (harmor's resynthesis engine cant handle high frequencies from imported samples properly)

[IamDroid]

Must Die! Generally uses Massive for and as his main synth. You can get some insight into how he uses and modulates the sounds from his Google Hangout's on his YouTube channel actually. His reese generally just include what seems to be a macro controlling several core elements within the patch (cutoff, amp, WT position, etc) I don't recall him ever using an FM synth, at least not for his last two EP/albums. He's more of a massive guy to be honest it seems. Hope that helps.

[bouncingfish]

Must Die! Generally uses Massive for and as his main synth. You can get some insight into how he uses and modulates the sounds from his Google Hangout's on his YouTube channel actually. His reese generally just include what seems to be a macro controlling several core elements within the patch (cutoff, amp, WT position, etc) I don't recall him ever using an FM synth, at least not for his last two EP/albums. He's more of a massive guy to be honest it seems. Hope that helps.

Checking that out now, thanks mate!

[AntidoteWasTaken]

Can anyone link to this Google Hangout he's talking about it? It would be really great, since I can't seem to find it. Thanks.

[bouncingfish]

Yeah can anyone post the link to that hangout!
Tried to find it but it's hard, doesn't exactly show up on google and he didn't link to it on his sc or facebook.

[IamDroid]

I'm not sure if you can find the Google hangout. He did one when he was writing his Firepower EP or some major EP (but I honestly lost track since he write music so unreasonably fast) , and wrote a track in the session. I would have assumed it was on his youtube channel. Maybe scroll down his Fb fanpage until about.. hmm. I think march-april. and you might be able to find the link. The thing is even if you do, in the video he never directly showed the patch. Instead, what he did show though, was how he uses his sig growl in context. From what I remember he said it uses macro's as his main modulation source, and that macro is linked to all the core parameters (Cuttoff, WT Pos, Etc) But, if it helps you could hear the raw patch, with and with modulation and without FX. I'll try and search around for it.

[IamDroid]

Well, I found the video in literally 20 seconds. Here: http://www.youtube.com/user/MUSTDIEMUSIC/videos
I believe the video is "Must Die! Writing session 3" but it could be 2. I honestly don't remember. Hope it helps. His sig sound is pretty dope. Surprised he gets 95% of the sound in just massive alone.