Neuro Bass (Koan Sound, Feed Me, Kill the Noise, Noisia)

[DJens]

peaka your replies make me cringe. Please stop trying to be "funny" or you'll most likely never get good advice on your questions in the future.

[peaka]

peaka your replies make me cringe. Please stop trying to be "funny" or you'll most likely never get good advice on your questions in the future.

Trying to be funny? Are you high? I'm simply defending myself and reacting to what others post. We both know I could have been a lot "funnier" but I chose to wrap my comment in a comedic fashion to minimize "hard" feelings.

Did you even read the whole strain? Please educate yourself prior to making accusations as your comments hold no weight otherwise...

[mthrfnk]

strain.

[Dahneboy]

Awesome! That's solid advice bro. Can you clarify something for me? How many channels should there be altogether and what should be running through each of them?

Are you retarded?

LOLOLOLOLOL my day is done

[peaka]

Awesome! That's solid advice bro. Can you clarify something for me? How many channels should there be altogether and what should be running through each of them?

Are you retarded?

LOLOLOLOLOL my day is done

me too

[axolotl-dubstep]

Hey man,

All over the net people push the idea of effects resampling. Adding FX then exporting the sound out, adding FX then bouncing out then repeating. This usually is going to sound really bad.

The classic reese is detuned saw waves with a morphing low pass filter opening and closing. That is the base foundation of a reese bass but the reese bass's you hear in Noisias tracks are reeses but with lots of tricky modulation.

If you keep adding external effects to a long sustained reese note its NEVER going to move and twist like Noisia. You might change the tone and timbre but usually repeated instances of chorus and phasers will wash out the sound and wont get it twisting the way you want.

A great way to get it moving like Noisia etc is modulating the pitch and volume of the sound. In Massive for example making a patch with 3 saw waves, detuned against each other will get the basic reese sound. To get it twisting around. Add a LFO to the AMP on the osc's and then change the rate of the LFO. In FL Studio you can move a knob then click on the arrow in the top left on the vst wrapper and go to browse parameters then because you just clicked rate it will be selected, right click that and hit create automation/modulation envelope and now you can draw in the speed of the LFO. If you put an lfo on the pitch you can do this same process, you can also draw in wavetable modulation with the envelope trick, try other wave forms to build your reece.

Thats a great way to get good modulation. I also then bounce out my modulated bass samples and put them in the FL Studio granulizer to twist them more. The wave spacing button on the far top right of the granulizer spacing the pitch and speed of the sound so usually I turn that back an inch and then twist the tone and speed/pitch of the grains of the sound using the grain spacing button. Then if you go into the ins tab up top and go to pitch you can then change the pitch of the sample as the grains and pitch are already being stretched and doing all of this yields sick results.

I have a good portable mic but finding recordings of sound on freesound.org that sound similar to the bass your working on. Then putting that sound in the playlist with your bass, adjusting the volume of the bass and the recording, also blending it with filters then exporting and then granulizing that sounds sick and it adds character and crunch. Once you get the modulation and your bass moving with the modulation of pitch(important) and lfo'ing the volume or filter in a vst and then granulizing it for example THEN add effects like distortion and reverbs to make it better but dont think that effects will twist the sound like pitch etc will.

Hope that makes sense bro, if not ill try find time to make a tutorial on it all sometime if you want.

Dogsonacid, the grid, has some good tutorials. Google search Billain Q and A and Noisia Q and A which is on dogs on acid, I learnt a lot from them. And reading the help file for the granulizer help me master it. I dont know if you use fl studio but its good because of the fact you can modulate almost anything. The stock effects suck but as a work station its the bomb. Spor/feedme and billain use it.

Ignore the trolls here its such a waste of time writing back to them tbh, just find good info on the net, experiment with modulation and look up how to eq everything, I think theres some good threads on dogs on acid.

Hope I helped a bit, peace

[axolotl-dubstep]

Hey man,

All over the net people push the idea of effects resampling. Adding FX then exporting the sound out, adding FX then bouncing out then repeating. This usually is going to sound really bad.

The classic reese is detuned saw waves with a morphing low pass filter opening and closing. That is the base foundation of a reese bass but the reese bass's you hear in Noisias tracks are reeses but with lots of tricky modulation.

If you keep adding external effects to a long sustained reese note its NEVER going to move and twist like Noisia. You might change the tone and timbre but usually repeated instances of chorus and phasers will wash out the sound and wont get it twisting the way you want.

A great way to get it moving like Noisia etc is modulating the pitch and volume of the sound. In Massive for example making a patch with 3 saw waves, detuned against each other will get the basic reese sound. To get it twisting around. Add a LFO to the AMP on the osc's and then change the rate of the LFO. In FL Studio you can move a knob then click on the arrow in the top left on the vst wrapper and go to browse parameters then because you just clicked rate it will be selected, right click that and hit create automation/modulation envelope and now you can draw in the speed of the LFO. If you put an lfo on the pitch you can do this same process, you can also draw in wavetable modulation with the envelope trick, try other wave forms to build your reece.

Thats a great way to get good modulation. I also then bounce out my modulated bass samples and put them in the FL Studio granulizer to twist them more. The wave spacing button on the far top right of the granulizer spacing the pitch and speed of the sound so usually I turn that back an inch and then twist the tone and speed/pitch of the grains of the sound using the grain spacing button. Then if you go into the ins tab up top and go to pitch you can then change the pitch of the sample as the grains and pitch are already being stretched and doing all of this yields sick results.

I have a good portable mic but finding recordings of sound on freesound.org that sound similar to the bass your working on. Then putting that sound in the playlist with your bass, adjusting the volume of the bass and the recording, also blending it with filters then exporting and then granulizing that sounds sick and it adds character and crunch. Once you get the modulation and your bass moving with the modulation of pitch(important) and lfo'ing the volume or filter in a vst and then granulizing it for example THEN add effects like distortion and reverbs to make it better but dont think that effects will twist the sound like pitch etc will.

Hope that makes sense bro, if not ill try find time to make a tutorial on it all sometime if you want.

Dogsonacid, the grid, has some good tutorials. Google search Billain Q and A and Noisia Q and A which is on dogs on acid, I learnt a lot from them. And reading the help file for the granulizer help me master it. I dont know if you use fl studio but its good because of the fact you can modulate almost anything. The stock effects suck but as a work station its the bomb. Spor/feedme and billain use it.

Ignore the trolls here its such a waste of time writing back to them tbh, just find good info on the net, experiment with modulation and look up how to eq everything, I think theres some good threads on dogs on acid.

Hope I helped a bit, peace

[axolotl-dubstep]

Hey man,

All over the net people push the idea of effects resampling. Adding FX then exporting the sound out, adding FX then bouncing out then repeating. This usually is going to sound really bad.

The classic reese is detuned saw waves with a morphing low pass filter opening and closing. That is the base foundation of a reese bass but the reese bass's you hear in Noisias tracks are reeses but with lots of tricky modulation.

If you keep adding external effects to a long sustained reese note its NEVER going to move and twist like Noisia. You might change the tone and timbre but usually repeated instances of chorus and phasers will wash out the sound and wont get it twisting the way you want.

A great way to get it moving like Noisia etc is modulating the pitch and volume of the sound. In Massive for example making a patch with 3 saw waves, detuned against each other will get the basic reese sound. To get it twisting around. Add a LFO to the AMP on the osc's and then change the rate of the LFO. In FL Studio you can move a knob then click on the arrow in the top left on the vst wrapper and go to browse parameters then because you just clicked rate it will be selected, right click that and hit create automation/modulation envelope and now you can draw in the speed of the LFO. If you put an lfo on the pitch you can do this same process, you can also draw in wavetable modulation with the envelope trick, try other wave forms to build your reece.

Thats a great way to get good modulation. I also then bounce out my modulated bass samples and put them in the FL Studio granulizer to twist them more. The wave spacing button on the far top right of the granulizer spacing the pitch and speed of the sound so usually I turn that back an inch and then twist the tone and speed/pitch of the grains of the sound using the grain spacing button. Then if you go into the ins tab up top and go to pitch you can then change the pitch of the sample as the grains and pitch are already being stretched and doing all of this yields sick results.

I have a good portable mic but finding recordings of sound on freesound.org that sound similar to the bass your working on. Then putting that sound in the playlist with your bass, adjusting the volume of the bass and the recording, also blending it with filters then exporting and then granulizing that sounds sick and it adds character and crunch. Once you get the modulation and your bass moving with the modulation of pitch(important) and lfo'ing the volume or filter in a vst and then granulizing it for example THEN add effects like distortion and reverbs to make it better but dont think that effects will twist the sound like pitch etc will.

Hope that makes sense bro, if not ill try find time to make a tutorial on it all sometime if you want.

Dogsonacid, the grid, has some good tutorials. Google search Billain Q and A and Noisia Q and A which is on dogs on acid, I learnt a lot from them. And reading the help file for the granulizer help me master it. I dont know if you use fl studio but its good because of the fact you can modulate almost anything. The stock effects suck but as a work station its the bomb. Spor/feedme and billain use it.

Ignore the trolls here its such a waste of time writing back to them tbh, just find good info on the net, experiment with modulation and look up how to eq everything, I think theres some good threads on dogs on acid.

Hope I helped a bit, peace

[Toolman4]

Whoa! Triple big ass post LOL

Anyways, this thread is getting redic...Read the Reese bass thread. Don't like that suggestion? Sorry BRO...The bottom line is that the information to get reese's like these guys IS there. Don't feel like digging for it? .....well then, I really can't help you there...The reese bass thread is the most centralized and focused single piece of information on this kind of topic I've EVER come across. How much research have you actually done? I have found tutorials that give you koan/culprate sounding reese bass's no matter which daw you use...And if you DID do some research, you should know that Koan Sound uses Reason for most of their arrangement and sound design...particularly malestrom...You would also know that KTN uses massive...that feed me/spor uses FL studio and massive...It's there dude...You just gotta do a bit of work...


...one last thing...It's about CONTEXT and ARRANGEMENT

Most of these bad ass, gnarly, gut wrenching, chunky, crunchy sounds are interpreted in this way because of the context in which they are arranged....I could guarantee that most noob producers have created some of the most BAD ASS sounds we might've yet to hear...but alas...no practice in arrangement....

[Augment]

The stock effects suck but as a work station its the bomb. Spor/feedme and billain use it.

The stock effects are awesome, I also dont agree about resampling sounding like shit alot, if u throw 5 random flangers on a sound, its gonna sound shit if u resample or not. It's like saying 'always resample, because adding 5 flangers without it wont make it twist like noisia'... U have to use effects with taste, I recommend making the source sound awesome, then resampling.

[peaka]

Hey man,

All over the net people push the idea of effects resampling. Adding FX then exporting the sound out, adding FX then bouncing out then repeating. This usually is going to sound really bad.

The classic reese is detuned saw waves with a morphing low pass filter opening and closing. That is the base foundation of a reese bass but the reese bass's you hear in Noisias tracks are reeses but with lots of tricky modulation.

If you keep adding external effects to a long sustained reese note its NEVER going to move and twist like Noisia. You might change the tone and timbre but usually repeated instances of chorus and phasers will wash out the sound and wont get it twisting the way you want.

A great way to get it moving like Noisia etc is modulating the pitch and volume of the sound. In Massive for example making a patch with 3 saw waves, detuned against each other will get the basic reese sound. To get it twisting around. Add a LFO to the AMP on the osc's and then change the rate of the LFO. In FL Studio you can move a knob then click on the arrow in the top left on the vst wrapper and go to browse parameters then because you just clicked rate it will be selected, right click that and hit create automation/modulation envelope and now you can draw in the speed of the LFO. If you put an lfo on the pitch you can do this same process, you can also draw in wavetable modulation with the envelope trick, try other wave forms to build your reece.

Thats a great way to get good modulation. I also then bounce out my modulated bass samples and put them in the FL Studio granulizer to twist them more. The wave spacing button on the far top right of the granulizer spacing the pitch and speed of the sound so usually I turn that back an inch and then twist the tone and speed/pitch of the grains of the sound using the grain spacing button. Then if you go into the ins tab up top and go to pitch you can then change the pitch of the sample as the grains and pitch are already being stretched and doing all of this yields sick results.

I have a good portable mic but finding recordings of sound on freesound.org that sound similar to the bass your working on. Then putting that sound in the playlist with your bass, adjusting the volume of the bass and the recording, also blending it with filters then exporting and then granulizing that sounds sick and it adds character and crunch. Once you get the modulation and your bass moving with the modulation of pitch(important) and lfo'ing the volume or filter in a vst and then granulizing it for example THEN add effects like distortion and reverbs to make it better but dont think that effects will twist the sound like pitch etc will.

Hope that makes sense bro, if not ill try find time to make a tutorial on it all sometime if you want.

Dogsonacid, the grid, has some good tutorials. Google search Billain Q and A and Noisia Q and A which is on dogs on acid, I learnt a lot from them. And reading the help file for the granulizer help me master it. I dont know if you use fl studio but its good because of the fact you can modulate almost anything. The stock effects suck but as a work station its the bomb. Spor/feedme and billain use it.

Ignore the trolls here its such a waste of time writing back to them tbh, just find good info on the net, experiment with modulation and look up how to eq everything, I think theres some good threads on dogs on acid.

Hope I helped a bit, peace

This is great! Thanks bro and those tutorials are wicked too, I got a lot out of them

[peaka]

Whoa! Triple big ass post LOL

Anyways, this thread is getting redic...Read the Reese bass thread. Don't like that suggestion? Sorry BRO...The bottom line is that the information to get reese's like these guys IS there. Don't feel like digging for it? .....well then, I really can't help you there...The reese bass thread is the most centralized and focused single piece of information on this kind of topic I've EVER come across. How much research have you actually done? I have found tutorials that give you koan/culprate sounding reese bass's no matter which daw you use...And if you DID do some research, you should know that Koan Sound uses Reason for most of their arrangement and sound design...particularly malestrom...You would also know that KTN uses massive...that feed me/spor uses FL studio and massive...It's there dude...You just gotta do a bit of work...


...one last thing...It's about CONTEXT and ARRANGEMENT

Most of these bad ass, gnarly, gut wrenching, chunky, crunchy sounds are interpreted in this way because of the context in which they are arranged....I could guarantee that most noob producers have created some of the most BAD ASS sounds we might've yet to hear...but alas...no practice in arrangement....

You're absolutely right toolman4, it's difficult to help someone that hasn't already tried to help himself. The truth be told, I've done a lot of due diligence on this topic but I was really looking for on an explanation on something specific and not the traditional "reese" sound that some of the other posts cover.

KTN uses Reason quite a bit as well and yes malstrom is a dirty synth, I concur.
Jon Gooch uses Ableton now.

But I don't want to get hung up on who uses what because I'm a firm believer that if you take the time to master any soft synth, you can create some cool sounds. Some may have different workflows but most synth seem to have consistancies like OSC, filters, Env, LFOs, etc.

I was looking for a more generic tips that could be applied to any or many synths.

[Coolschmid]

Dude, you seem hopeless.

The truth be told, I've done a lot of due diligence on this topic but I was really looking for on an explanation on something specific and not the traditional "reese" sound that some of the other posts cover.

Definitely don't read the reese bass thread then, because its definitely not focused on Feedme/Noisia/Koan reeses. The fact that the initial core sounds are made with detuned oscillators must mean that all that is covered in the thread are the traditional mellow pulsing sub reeses right?

I was looking for a more generic tips that could be applied to any or many synths.

Again, don't look in the reese bass thread. There's definitely not exactly that in the reese bass thread

/end sarcasm

I called you retarded because in response to someone's advice on frequency splitting, you asked exactly how many frequency splits you should have and how many and what effects should be on each track. Nobody is going to give you all the exact settings of everything because it really doesn't matter. If you want to just copy a reese instead of building/experimenting one with the

generic tips

that apparently you can't see in the reese bass thread, then there are some patches and youtube videos in the last half of the reese bass thread that you can just download or copy.Its funny how those 3 words keep coming up

You seriously have autism or something. You ask for neuro-reese information and get referred to this websites compilation of neuro reese information that is still constantly getting added to, and that is nobody helping you. Do you want to be given nothing less than the massive patches and effect chains that will make you Noisia overnight?

[Toolman4]

Are you all serious? Clearly no one here has read it...I know it's long but there are several examples of damn good Reese bass's that sound like those guys....I'm just at a loss these days trying to give back to others...

It's the way the core sounds are modulated and used in an arrangement context...
Lrn2 experiment more or let your frustration consume you...

Cheers chumps

[Coolschmid]

Are you all serious?

/end sarcasm

[mthrfnk]

I agree with a lot of the above posts... the reese bass thread is a mass of good info and more importantly examples.

KTN uses Reason quite a bit as well and yes malstrom is a dirty synth, I concur.
Jon Gooch uses Ableton now.

Also, KTN uses Massive, has done for ages - you can literally hear the wavetables all over his tracks.
Feed Me uses FL to produce, Ableton only for shows.

Also to whoever said FL's FX are shit - they're not, a few have been blind tested against third party VSTs and come out on top.

Peaka - go read the reese & growl threads/watch tutorials/cry about how you're bad at making reeses. Then pick a synth and spend a weekend working with it, using the oscillators, getting to know the basics, and then once you've nailed the synth you can start experimenting. Try to get the best sound out of your synth first before you start slapping twenty pirated Waves plugin on the FX chain. Once you've got a badass sound, then start playing with fx such as phasers/flangers/disto etc. No one's going to write you a step by step tutorial on making a KOAN reese, there are no general steps aside from detuning and distorting, you've just got to fuck around.

[sunny_b_uk]

i never said resample and throw on a bunch of FX i was talking about frequency splitting since it was mentioned in the first post..
of course it will sound like shit throwing on 5 flangers. i was talking about effecting the mids only and leaving the highs and sub clean. i also mentioned distorting a sub along with the mids to make it rumble more (although this depends, this trick doesn't always work)
theres no rules to how many channels or how many layers you use. theres no need to put down peoples advice without even reading it properly, iv been making basses and reeses etc for a lot of years and i say frequency splitting is a nice way of keeping the sound clean and taking things further without destroying the sound. it works for me & its not a complex set up.. but at the same time its not as simple as using a few saws, pitch bends and a filter to get koan sound basses (although it is possible to still get similar results like that as well).
keep it simple at first and then if you can't get it then try to experiment and think of ways you can make complex sounds without destroying the high and low frequencies of your sound.

[peaka]

Dude, you seem hopeless.

The truth be told, I've done a lot of due diligence on this topic but I was really looking for on an explanation on something specific and not the traditional "reese" sound that some of the other posts cover.

Definitely don't read the reese bass thread then, because its definitely not focused on Feedme/Noisia/Koan reeses. The fact that the initial core sounds are made with detuned oscillators must mean that all that is covered in the thread are the traditional mellow pulsing sub reeses right?

I was looking for a more generic tips that could be applied to any or many synths.

Again, don't look in the reese bass thread. There's definitely not exactly that in the reese bass thread

/end sarcasm

I called you retarded because in response to someone's advice on frequency splitting, you asked exactly how many frequency splits you should have and how many and what effects should be on each track. Nobody is going to give you all the exact settings of everything because it really doesn't matter. If you want to just copy a reese instead of building/experimenting one with the

generic tips

that apparently you can't see in the reese bass thread, then there are some patches and youtube videos in the last half of the reese bass thread that you can just download or copy.Its funny how those 3 words keep coming up

You seriously have autism or something. You ask for neuro-reese information and get referred to this websites compilation of neuro reese information that is still constantly getting added to, and that is nobody helping you. Do you want to be given nothing less than the massive patches and effect chains that will make you Noisia overnight?

Haha autism, instant classic. Not only are you a pseudo producer, you're a doctor as well! Great diagnosis Dr Phil

Calling someone retarded when they're trying to get help, in any case, is poor physician practice

Take a breathe and calm dawn babe, it's only a forum. There's no need to get so upset and write a novel explaining yourself

/end sarcasm

[Dj_antmouth]

Dude, you seem hopeless.

The truth be told, I've done a lot of due diligence on this topic but I was really looking for on an explanation on something specific and not the traditional "reese" sound that some of the other posts cover.

Definitely don't read the reese bass thread then, because its definitely not focused on Feedme/Noisia/Koan reeses. The fact that the initial core sounds are made with detuned oscillators must mean that all that is covered in the thread are the traditional mellow pulsing sub reeses right?

I was looking for a more generic tips that could be applied to any or many synths.

Again, don't look in the reese bass thread. There's definitely not exactly that in the reese bass thread

/end sarcasm

I called you retarded because in response to someone's advice on frequency splitting, you asked exactly how many frequency splits you should have and how many and what effects should be on each track. Nobody is going to give you all the exact settings of everything because it really doesn't matter. If you want to just copy a reese instead of building/experimenting one with the

generic tips

that apparently you can't see in the reese bass thread, then there are some patches and youtube videos in the last half of the reese bass thread that you can just download or copy.Its funny how those 3 words keep coming up

You seriously have autism or something. You ask for neuro-reese information and get referred to this websites compilation of neuro reese information that is still constantly getting added to, and that is nobody helping you. Do you want to be given nothing less than the massive patches and effect chains that will make you Noisia overnight?

Uhhh, i dont know how to say this, but euhhhhh, would you marry me?

[Sure_Fire]

I don't get why people think resampling is the only way to get gnarly reeses. The only use for resampling I can think of (besides keeping CPU low) is to thicken up the sound (via layering), which is better done by making decent patches and using saturators/exciters. It's not gonna sound thick if the harmonics just aren't there to begin with. The end result is just resonant harmonics piling on each other making the sound harsh rather than thick.