Neuro Bass (Koan Sound, Feed Me, Kill the Noise, Noisia)

[PillowFight]

I don't get why people think resampling is the only way to get gnarly reeses. The only use for resampling I can think of (besides keeping CPU low) is to thicken up the sound (via layering), which is better done by making decent patches and using saturators/exciters. It's not gonna sound thick if the harmonics just aren't there to begin with. The end result is just resonant harmonics piling on each other making the sound harsh rather than thick.

Reasons to resample a reese bass;

1. Allows you to stretch or squish the original sound for nasty distorted sounds
2. Allows easier layering, chopping, reversing, or fading of the sound
3. Eliminates all phase issues that using midi creates, which, on a side note, is a great reason as to why your whole track should be in audio upon completion (you want it to sound the same every time you listen to it as opposed to slightly different every time)
4. Easier on CPU
5. For more intricate work, your sample can be loaded into a sampler such as kontakt, absynthe, or your DAW's local sampler for repitching, stretching, pitch bending, filtering, etc. etc. etc.

Granted you have a point, make sure your INITIAL SOUND is as well done as it can possibly be, but if you're not resampling, you're HEAVILY limiting yourself (no pun intended)

[Coolschmid]

but if you're not resampling, you're HEAVILY limiting yourself (no pun intended)

I disagree with this.

[PillowFight]

but if you're not resampling, you're HEAVILY limiting yourself (no pun intended)

I disagree with this.

If you just don't resample, you're limiting yourself from tons more options in editing and fine-tuning your sound. That's not even arguable lol there is no reason not to do it.

[mthrfnk]

but if you're not resampling, you're HEAVILY limiting yourself (no pun intended)

I disagree with this.

If you just don't resample, you're limiting yourself from tons more options in editing and fine-tuning your sound. That's not even arguable lol there is no reason not to do it.

Aside from physical manipulations (such as chopping and reversing) what other limitations are you encountering when not resampling?

[PillowFight]

but if you're not resampling, you're HEAVILY limiting yourself (no pun intended)

I disagree with this.

If you just don't resample, you're limiting yourself from tons more options in editing and fine-tuning your sound. That's not even arguable lol there is no reason not to do it.

Aside from physical manipulations (such as chopping and reversing) what other limitations are you encountering when not resampling?

phase issues, layering limitations, loading into new samplers, I JUST posted the reasons why you should resample above....there's a reason why reso, noisia, billain, etc. ALL the big names resample their reeses and get amazing results.

[Augment]

but if you're not resampling, you're HEAVILY limiting yourself (no pun intended)

I disagree with this.

If you just don't resample, you're limiting yourself from tons more options in editing and fine-tuning your sound. That's not even arguable lol there is no reason not to do it.

Aside from physical manipulations (such as chopping and reversing) what other limitations are you encountering when not resampling?

phase issues, layering limitations, loading into new samplers, I JUST posted the reasons why you should resample above....there's a reason why reso, noisia, billain, etc. ALL the big names resample their reeses and get amazing results.

ALL the big names don't, also I dont see your point about phase issues and layering limitations. I agree that resampling is cool, but there's def no need to always resample, it really depends on what you want the sound to be in the end

[PillowFight]

I'm not saying always do it, I'm saying don't not do it ever. It's hard to explain the phase issue thing without a decent example, but it has a little to do with headroom and stuff I don't feel like explaining over the internet to no one.

[smile]

Phasing is kinda overrated in "EDM". I'd say proper side-chaining and EQing (HPF on everything) will solve most your phasing problems.

[Augment]

I'm not saying always do it, I'm saying don't not do it ever. It's hard to explain the phase issue thing without a decent example, but it has a little to do with headroom and stuff I don't feel like explaining over the internet to no one.

Phasing is kinda overrated in "EDM". I'd say proper side-chaining and EQing (HPF on everything) will solve most your phasing problems.

Agree with smile on this one, I dont see how resampling would make a difference other than being able to reverse the polarity, which could help with phasing I guess

[mthrfnk]

I'm not saying always do it, I'm saying don't not do it ever. It's hard to explain the phase issue thing without a decent example, but it has a little to do with headroom and stuff I don't feel like explaining over the internet to no one.

Phasing is kinda overrated in "EDM". I'd say proper side-chaining and EQing (HPF on everything) will solve most your phasing problems.

Agree with smile on this one, I dont see how resampling would make a difference other than being able to reverse the polarity, which could help with phasing I guess

You could even alter the phase of your signal in your signal chain

[kaili]

this thread is fucking retarded some1 ban pls

[Dj_antmouth]

this thread is fucking retarded some1 ban pls

[Sure_Fire]

I'm not saying always do it, I'm saying don't not do it ever.

I'll agree to that. I'm more annoyed by the people that say resampling is the greatest thing that ever happened to a reese, and that if you take a shit synth and resample it will make it sound good.

As for the "more options" point, while resampling does open you up to cool stuff, not doing definitely doesn't limit you at all. You're using a synthesizer, most synths would present literally millions of options to what you can do with a sound. Plus with fx chains you really aren't limited whatsoever. Also, it's really what you do with the sound that counts, remember that a synth is an instrument and sound design should come second to making the music actually sound good.

btw I do resample to save CPU and for extra processing. I always save a backup of the FLP with all the midi work in it though.

[mromgwtf]

[Today]

resample lets you cut up and rearrange phrases of audio that your synth produced, but could not deliver in the same way.

for example. modulating amplitude/filter cutoff, while performing a note change with portamento. Then resampling and rearranging so certain bending notes are placed before or after their surrounding notes. A synthesizer with portamento enabled could never create a phrasing such where notes bend upwards but then play a lower note, just for a quick example.

resampling the line and rearranging it opens up endless possibilities, not just for processing but for phrasing that is virtually impossible with bare synthesis.

[Reversed]

resample lets you cut up and rearrange phrases of audio that your synth produced, but could not deliver in the same way.

for example. modulating amplitude/filter cutoff, while performing a note change with portamento. Then resampling and rearranging so certain bending notes are placed before or after their surrounding notes. A synthesizer with portamento enabled could never create a phrasing such where notes bend upwards but then play a lower note, just for a quick example.

resampling the line and rearranging it opens up endless possibilities, not just for processing but for phrasing that is virtually impossible with bare synthesis.

quick example for the pitch thing you mentioned, because i like the use of it in this tune that much: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... xJqI#t=68s the synth at the end of that sequence.
(i guess that's what you are hinting at anyway)

[Today]

well kind of... if you mean the part i think you mean, it sounds to me like the type of pitch modulation that can be done straight out of a synth, but if you wanted to play a different note directly following that with a different pitch envelope or starting pitch, using the same type of portamento, it would be impossible to perform without sampling different pitch phrases and cut/edit them together.

to me that's always been the big benefit of resampling. Also because of things like retrigger/ADSR on different modulators, you can then begin a phrase from a different point in the onset of an envelope or whatever. like starting something from halfway through the decay phase.

Not to mention reversing a sound and playing it backwards. in combination with other edits, this opens p a ton of phrasing you can do that wouldn't be possible without sampling the audio

[gcraz]

resampling's the tits if you're lookin to get a little bit trickier with the modulations. i met datsik in ny recently, he gave me a tip to just randomize a performer and slap it on a knob in massive that made it more dynamic. that gave me like a little sample pack of modulations for a certain bass timbre, and then i could just put together a jigsaw puzzle to make a bassline, and then go again in another massive and throw them in there to make it more interesting.

moral, it can make producing a lot more fun. thats why i do it, thats why a lot of other people do it. if you're not already, ditch the midi clips. if you don't want to, i don't give 2 shits. just don't waste time arguing over one or the other. also putting it out there, i use about 75% audio, 25% midi.

also, i've seen a lot of great producers do this and save raw cuts of their fav modulations. to me, it seems it's way harder to get a sound you're looking for by being particular about you're modulations. you get it by experimenting, and then cropping the good parts. cutting the fat n shit around it, and putting the right ones together. not by being a pro at managing automation. i'd ragequit if that was the only option. just sayin.

[peaka]

this thread is fucking retarded some1 ban pls

You're an idiot! What's wrong with people sharing opinions regardless of what conversation strain it is? Isn't that the whole point of forums? Discuss, dispute, share tips, etc?

I'm just wondering why you would take time out of your vast masturbating session and go through all the trouble of reading the entire post, then respond?

[Ben - Axonic]

vast masturbating session

wat

As for the topic, I usually try to achieve the end goals that I hear in my head pertaining to reeses with midi alone, but if it doesn't work out, only then would I bounce out and resample. You'd be surprised at what some synths can do internally, but like others have said there are just certain results possible with resampling that aren't with midi alone.