Views on Culprate?

[johnkimble]

Bearing in mind that most producers out there are quite obviously none musicians who struggle with concepts like harmony, chord progressions and arpeggios etc (which contrary to what some tone deaf "experts" on here will try to tell u is actually the stuff that makes music interesting to listen to)

Wouldn't that objectively speaking make trance the best genre there is?

[rob sparx]

Bearing in mind that most producers out there are quite obviously none musicians who struggle with concepts like harmony, chord progressions and arpeggios etc (which contrary to what some tone deaf "experts" on here will try to tell u is actually the stuff that makes music interesting to listen to)

Wouldn't that objectively speaking make trance the best genre there is?

Not jazz or funk or soul then? trance? Do u even get wtf im talking about? Use of melody is a skill doesn't matter what genre its applied to a skilled producer/musician will use it whereas someone who struggles in that department will stay away from it a lot more sure there are other areas that make your music sound interesting like texture and production ability but without melody its not music your listening to its noise (trance pretty much ignores use of texture/noise which is why its so lame)

[Harkat]

Bearing in mind that most producers out there are quite obviously none musicians who struggle with concepts like harmony, chord progressions and arpeggios etc (which contrary to what some tone deaf "experts" on here will try to tell u is actually the stuff that makes music interesting to listen to)

Wouldn't that objectively speaking make trance the best genre there is?

Not jazz or funk or soul then? trance? Do u even get wtf im talking about? Use of melody is a skill doesn't matter what genre its applied to a skilled producer/musician will use it whereas someone who struggles in that department will stay away from it a lot more sure there are other areas that make your music sound interesting like texture and production ability but without melody its not music your listening to its noise (trance pretty much ignores use of texture/noise which is why its so lame)

What I'm saying is trance inarguably has more fleshed-out melodic content than dubstep, jungle or any "UK Bass" genre. If that's really always the most important thing in music, why isn't trance > dubstep? Now, you say trance is lame because it ignores texture and noise - and IMO, rhythm, but if melody is *the* thing that makes music good, is that really a problem? I think the idea that melody makes music is only valid if you apply the term broadly. The cascading, crashing snares of jungle or the tribal rolling drums in halfstep must count as melody then. I mean, they're moving up and down in frequency in cool ways, so it must flick the same switches in our brains right? Because the synths or pianos or strings in most of this music is extremely basic. Take Source Direct, most of their "melody" was literally two-note beeps. But they had sick drums that went all over the place, providing so-called "melody". At least that's what I think. Dubstep doesn't have to be full of obvious melodic content to be satisying, or Loefah wouldn't be considered so good.

[Soul_Of_Seun]

I've never understood this forum's hatred of trance. There are excellent and varied tunes in every genre of music. EVERY genre. To call an entire genre of music "lame" reminds of how readily many were/are to write off dubstep and even Hip hop for many years. Like the rant about showing respect to certain artist's music, likewise, show some respect to other genres.

[Harkat]

I've never understood this forum's hatred of trance. There are excellent and varied tunes in every genre of music. EVERY genre. To call an entire genre of music "lame" reminds of how readily many were/are to write off dubstep and even Hip hop for many years. Like the rant about showing respect to certain artist's music, likewise, show some respect to other genres.

[Terpit]

I've never understood this forum's hatred of trance. There are excellent and varied tunes in every genre of music. EVERY genre. To call an entire genre of music "lame" reminds of how readily many were/are to write off dubstep and even Hip hop for many years. Like the rant about showing respect to certain artist's music, likewise, show some respect to other genres.

[rob sparx]

Bearing in mind that most producers out there are quite obviously none musicians who struggle with concepts like harmony, chord progressions and arpeggios etc (which contrary to what some tone deaf "experts" on here will try to tell u is actually the stuff that makes music interesting to listen to)

Wouldn't that objectively speaking make trance the best genre there is?

Not jazz or funk or soul then? trance? Do u even get wtf im talking about? Use of melody is a skill doesn't matter what genre its applied to a skilled producer/musician will use it whereas someone who struggles in that department will stay away from it a lot more sure there are other areas that make your music sound interesting like texture and production ability but without melody its not music your listening to its noise (trance pretty much ignores use of texture/noise which is why its so lame)

What I'm saying is trance inarguably has more fleshed-out melodic content than dubstep, jungle or any "UK Bass" genre. If that's really always the most important thing in music, why isn't trance > dubstep? Now, you say trance is lame because it ignores texture and noise - and IMO, rhythm, but if melody is *the* thing that makes music good, is that really a problem? I think the idea that melody makes music is only valid if you apply the term broadly. The cascading, crashing snares of jungle or the tribal rolling drums in halfstep must count as melody then. I mean, they're moving up and down in frequency in cool ways, so it must flick the same switches in our brains right? Because the synths or pianos or strings in most of this music is extremely basic. Take Source Direct, most of their "melody" was literally two-note beeps. But they had sick drums that went all over the place, providing so-called "melody". At least that's what I think. Dubstep doesn't have to be full of obvious melodic content to be satisying, or Loefah wouldn't be considered so good.

Melody is a big big part of what makes music interesting to listen to, why u think that somehow points to trance music or indicates that quantity or it is better than quality or "obvious use of it" (subtle would be far better for deep bass music) I have no fucking idea. I'm influenced by many different kinds of music and they all have completely different uses of melody so many different styles i don't know where to begin (and i don't put them in a league table either as its not a fucking competition they each have their own merits) but since when did big cheesy synths used in a formulatic pattern make for good use of melody?

I'm not feeling the way trance has developed since the glory cafe del mar days just like im not feeling the way extremes of dubstep have gone either - confirming to an overly established blueprint is what fucks genres up its not good when its hard to tell the difference of one tune from another as they sound so similar of course not all trance is lame just most of it just like most brostep & dungeon also, there are some rough diamonds in there but increasingly hard to find these days. Do u actually think Culprate's deeper music sounds like trance anyway? As other guys on this thread have mention this producer is skilled in using textures/noise/fx yet he also is great with melody and doesn't shy away from using it - good use of melody, bass, texture/noise/fx and good technical ability makes for a great producer I never said melody alone was all that mattered just that a complete abscene of it very often makes for boring music and no im not having a Loefah and Source Direct by saying that im having a pop at the masses of copycat conformists not the innovators, good minimal use of melody is an artform in itself.

There is pitch in noise/texture and percussion, in fact there is a pitch to just about any sound even if its a dischord (some great techno makes good use of this), melody doesn't have to be in synths and good use of it is different in every genre but even the least melodic music benefits from a producer with a good harmonic ear as sounds resonate against each other so understanding when they are in tune with each other helps a lot with getting a powerful mix. As mentioned on this thread there is some good music in most genres but there are also a great many producers who clearly struggle to make that good music so its nice to hear someone like Culprate who knows what they are doing that all im saying.

[Harkat]

I think we agree, yeah. I don't have anything against Culprate either, I quite like a few of his bits. I just wanted to know what you meant by melody being what makes music interesting to listen to. I agree if you count all movements in pitch as melody. Also, as you say, even though at the core melody is essential to music, that doesn't mean more obvious = better. Subtle hits of melody works better than slathering a track in the juiciest, most EQ-spanning synths you can find for 8 minutes.

[Corkz]

This is what fuks me off about music "fashion" in general (other than the obvious point that it split an optimistic and diverse scene into for the large part two shitty sub genres one sounding like retarded camp hardcore cheese with a "supercringe" quality to it and the other halfstep psy-trance with the soul and rhythmn sucked out of it) - that a top quality musician/producer is wrote off on the basis of tunes of his u don't like rather than tunes u might seriously like but probably won't ever listen to or will write off b4 you've even heard on the basis of their other work. Bearing in mind that most producers out there are quite obviously none musicians who struggle with concepts like harmony, chord progressions and arpeggios etc (which contrary to what some tone deaf "experts" on here will try to tell u is actually the stuff that makes music interesting to listen to) hearing a producer of Culprate's calibre is a breathe of fresh air whatever he chooses to write - that's not to say I like all his tunes far from it but the skill that has gone into them shines through and that's rare so I suspect one who writes off everything he does off as 'bro' smacks more of that person being into their chosen genre of music as a fashion/image statement rather than them actually knowing fuk all about music or production. I've played some Culprate tunes to a few chinstrokers who profess their hatred of brostep and they loved them not realising who they were listening to

Whatever their shelf life I like some of his bangers from best part of a year ago and earlier as they were more unique to him than some of the more recent OWSLA poor mans Skrillex style remixes/tunes (not everything but a good chunk of what ive heard recently)- not having a pop by saying that its just that Skrillex won that arms race and no-one else trying obviously to sound like him is ever going to do it as good/bad (delete one according to taste) as the man himself whereas Culprate's own brand of filth had a far more interesting style to it imo HOWEVER its the leftfield tunes of his like Tentacle, Two and Green Urban Rainforest that are my favs and most interesting to listen to though obviously they are less "safe" to play to certain crowds.

I could say similar things about a number of very talented producers some of whom at one point were probably quite centre ground in their taste and could probably have gone in a different direction at some point in their career if they had been shown interest by different labels or producers/radio djs etc - its slightly annoying knowing that if some of these 'bro' producers had released their deeper output under aliases on 'approved' labels and done a bit more of it u lot would probably be giving them praise on here as next big thing yet the fact they wrote some music u didn't like means they get slated probably without those tunes even getting a listen.

Personally I am far more interested to hear the rarity of a 'bro' producer writing a good deep tune than someone who does that kind of music all the time write the same again and im willing to allow music turds from any producer who writes a tune I like as its hard enough to find good music these days aint it?

you seem like a really pissed off person who over-thinks everything.

just pipe down and listen to the music you like and allow people to have their own opinions.

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

Trance is really bad tho. like its always bad there are no good tunes. DONT EVEN TRY TO MAKE ME LIKE IT OR ILL KNOCK YOUR BLOCK OFF YOU FUCKING stnuc.

[rob sparx]

This is what fuks me off about music "fashion" in general (other than the obvious point that it split an optimistic and diverse scene into for the large part two shitty sub genres one sounding like retarded camp hardcore cheese with a "supercringe" quality to it and the other halfstep psy-trance with the soul and rhythmn sucked out of it) - that a top quality musician/producer is wrote off on the basis of tunes of his u don't like rather than tunes u might seriously like but probably won't ever listen to or will write off b4 you've even heard on the basis of their other work. Bearing in mind that most producers out there are quite obviously none musicians who struggle with concepts like harmony, chord progressions and arpeggios etc (which contrary to what some tone deaf "experts" on here will try to tell u is actually the stuff that makes music interesting to listen to) hearing a producer of Culprate's calibre is a breathe of fresh air whatever he chooses to write - that's not to say I like all his tunes far from it but the skill that has gone into them shines through and that's rare so I suspect one who writes off everything he does off as 'bro' smacks more of that person being into their chosen genre of music as a fashion/image statement rather than them actually knowing fuk all about music or production. I've played some Culprate tunes to a few chinstrokers who profess their hatred of brostep and they loved them not realising who they were listening to

Whatever their shelf life I like some of his bangers from best part of a year ago and earlier as they were more unique to him than some of the more recent OWSLA poor mans Skrillex style remixes/tunes (not everything but a good chunk of what ive heard recently)- not having a pop by saying that its just that Skrillex won that arms race and no-one else trying obviously to sound like him is ever going to do it as good/bad (delete one according to taste) as the man himself whereas Culprate's own brand of filth had a far more interesting style to it imo HOWEVER its the leftfield tunes of his like Tentacle, Two and Green Urban Rainforest that are my favs and most interesting to listen to though obviously they are less "safe" to play to certain crowds.

I could say similar things about a number of very talented producers some of whom at one point were probably quite centre ground in their taste and could probably have gone in a different direction at some point in their career if they had been shown interest by different labels or producers/radio djs etc - its slightly annoying knowing that if some of these 'bro' producers had released their deeper output under aliases on 'approved' labels and done a bit more of it u lot would probably be giving them praise on here as next big thing yet the fact they wrote some music u didn't like means they get slated probably without those tunes even getting a listen.

Personally I am far more interested to hear the rarity of a 'bro' producer writing a good deep tune than someone who does that kind of music all the time write the same again and im willing to allow music turds from any producer who writes a tune I like as its hard enough to find good music these days aint it?

you seem like a really pissed off person who over-thinks everything.

just pipe down and listen to the music you like and allow people to have their own opinions.

Other peoples opinions on highly talented and eclectic producers are great as long as they are longer than a few words and don't contain the word brostep - amazing how many people like that on here seem to have exactly the same opinion as each other don't u think? Way too much opinion borrowing on this forum

[particle-jim]

A lot of Culprate's stuff does sound a little bit too close to 'brostep' for my liking, he does have a handful really great tunes though, Tentacle VIP is a fucking choooon!