Why Has There Never Been A British Revolution?

[Jizz]

Lol the idea of a revolution is pretty much non-existent here, riots resulted in mans jackin Basmati Rice ffs

[esfandyar]

first step should be incinerating the hou se of lords. bunch of fat rich homophobic slobs
is that terrorism or revolution?

turkey showing people how its done right now though. hope their protesting turns into full blown revolutiuon. but peaceful one :[. its grim seeing so many photographs of peaceful protesters whove been battered by the pigs
didnt greece or somewhere have a pretty much silent revolution? a peaceful one adn the shit government was overtrhown but it wasnt in our media cos obv that would inspire people to do the same. i forget which country it was, it was not long after credit crunch and it was in europe,i think. i might be wrong. my memory is real shit

the media made it seem silent in greece but if you were following it through other means, it was pretty well documented.

im actually going to say america did recently have a movement, about a year and a half ago, but it was met with extreme violent oppression by the state.. that was occupy. although it didn't succeed the way folks wanted it to, it really opened a lot of people to new ideas. the way people begin to feel like a rev should happen, is when they experience oppression and violence first hand.

[bennyfroobs]

ye i remember a lot of it being all over various places on the internet, by silent revolution i just meant one that wasnt documented by mainstream media. i dont even remmeber it being on bbc news n shit

i remember all the occupy shit kicking off, new laws and stuff were introduced so that they could detain people who were part of the movement as terrorists. and a few other mental laws too which i couldnt rmemeber. was extremely fucked up. us police had undercover people in amongst the protesters to stir shit up and make things turn violent, if i remember rightly. all very manipulated and extremely oppressive. wbat more can u expect form the american government really....

[esfandyar]

ye i remember a lot of it being all over various places on the internet, by silent revolution i just meant one that wasnt documented by mainstream media. i dont even remmeber it being on bbc news n shit

i remember all the occupy shit kicking off, new laws and stuff were introduced so that they could detain people who were part of the movement as terrorists. and a few other mental laws too which i couldnt rmemeber. was extremely fucked up. us police had undercover people in amongst the protesters to stir shit up and make things turn violent, if i remember rightly. all very manipulated and extremely oppressive. wbat more can u expect form the american government really....

absolutely. infiltration, surveillance, and plenty of violence to go around. there were documents leaked here in az that was just recently produced openly on the Internet, some odd 5000 pages of surveillance on the occupy movement here and other radical activities over the years. it was a very very severe reaction by the state, and unless a vet got hit in the face by a tear gas grenade or a blonde lady was assaulted in some manner, the media didn't cover anything. no surprise there though.

[d-T-r]

Some good posts.

There will only be a worthwhile revolution when people realize it's within their right and best interest to do so. It will take some some extra provocative circumstances and events to cause it though. The over all majority either don't care, can't see the merit or don't think they have any ability to change any aspect of their community,country,world.

I can only hope it's all under way. Does the revolution 'start' when you hear the word said on the news or is the sign-post the exponentially rising tension before the snap begins. If it's the latter then we're on our way

[magma]

Because Revolution is a last resort and we haven't had a social crisis that's required it since the second Reformation.

We got to see the results of Revolution pretty intimately from across the Channel - a century of chaos, blood in the streets, sieged cities, torched treasures and "Terror" (the French revolution fucking *invented* Terror). Why would we want to have gone through that family-rending brutality when we find ourselves enjoying just as much égalité as today's French without having done so? We used the same time and energy France used to rip itself to shreds to help kick off the second age of European enlightenment and lay the foundations for industrialisation and true social progress which only came in the 20th Century no matter if you were French, British or German.

Parliament was our revolution and it's still happening; it's not perfect, but we don't live in a binary world. Change takes generations and some generations will move us subtley in the wrong direction. We evolve; it's painfully slow, but effective against almost all tests. We are vastly freer than we were 400 years ago. Vastly freer than we were 300 years ago. 200 years. 100 years. 50 years. We have slid slightly in the last couple of decades, but to argue for revolution in any other guise than popular protest is pretty short-sighted.

[garethom]

I dread to think who/what we would install as leader if we were to revolt successfully. Probably the fucking leader of the EDL or something. 90% of government spending would go on "protecting the kiddies from the paedos".

[nousd]

agree with the two conservative ninjas above

[particle-jim]

didnt greece or somewhere have a pretty much silent revolution? a peaceful one adn the shit government was overtrhown but it wasnt in our media cos obv that would inspire people to do the same. i forget which country it was, it was not long after credit crunch and it was in europe,i think. i might be wrong. my memory is real shit

it was Iceland, they did it proper:
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/03 ... banksters/

Iceland’s on-going revolution is a stunning example of how little our media tells us about the rest of the world. Americans may remember that at the start of the 2008 financial crisis, Iceland literally went bankrupt. The reasons were mentioned only in passing, and since then, this little-known member of the European Union fell back into oblivion.

As one European country after another fails or risks failing, imperiling the Euro, with repercussions for the entire world, the last thing the powers that be want is for Iceland to become an example. Here’s why:

Five years of a pure neo-liberal regime had made Iceland, (population 320 thousand, no army), one of the richest countries in the world. In 2003 all the country’s banks were privatized, and in an effort to attract foreign investors, they offered on-line banking whose minimal costs allowed them to offer relatively high rates of return. The accounts, called IceSave, attracted many English and Dutch small investors. But as investments grew, so did the banks’ foreign debt. In 2003 Iceland’s debt was equal to 200 times its GNP, but in 2007, it was 900 percent. The 2008 world financial crisis was the coup de grace. The three main Icelandic banks, Landbanki, Kapthing and Glitnir, went belly up and were nationalized, while the Kroner lost 85% of its value with respect to the Euro. At the end of the year Iceland declared bankruptcy.

Contrary to what could be expected, the crisis resulted in Icelanders recovering their sovereign rights, through a process of direct participatory democracy that eventually led to a new Constitution. But only after much pain.

Geir Haarde, the Prime Minister of a Social Democratic coalition government, negotiated a two million one hundred thousand dollar loan, to which the Nordic countries added another two and a half million. But the foreign financial community pressured Iceland to impose drastic measures. The FMI and the European Union wanted to take over its debt, claiming this was the only way for the country to pay back Holland and Great Britain, who had promised to reimburse their citizens.

Protests and riots continued, eventually forcing the government to resign. Elections were brought forward to April 2009, resulting in a left-wing coalition which condemned the neoliberal economic system, but immediately gave in to its demands that Iceland pay off a total of three and a half million Euros. This required each Icelandic citizen to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. It was the straw that broke the reindeer’s back.

What happened next was extraordinary. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions and eventually driving Iceland’s leaders to the side of their constituents. The Head of State, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, refused to ratify the law that would have made Iceland’s citizens responsible for its bankers’ debts, and accepted calls for a referendum.

Of course the international community only increased the pressure on Iceland. Great Britain and Holland threatened dire reprisals that would isolate the country. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. The British government threatened to freeze Icelander savings and checking accounts. As Grimsson said: “We were told that if we refused the international community’s conditions, we would become the Cuba of the North. But if we had accepted, we would have become the Haiti of the North.” (How many times have I written that when Cubans see the dire state of their neighbor, Haiti, they count themselves lucky.)

In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution (though not televised in the United States), would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for the ex-president of Kaupthing, Sigurdur Einarsson, as the other bankers implicated in the crash fled the country.

But Icelanders didn’t stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. (The one in use had been written when Iceland gained its independence from Denmark, in 1918, the only difference with the Danish constitution being that the word ‘president’ replaced the word ‘king’.)

To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. This document was not the work of a handful of politicians, but was written on the internet. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape. The constitution that eventually emerges from this participatory democratic process will be submitted to parliament for approval after the next elections.

Some readers will remember that Iceland’s ninth century agrarian collapse was featured in Jared Diamond’s book by the same name. Today, that country is recovering from its financial collapse in ways just the opposite of those generally considered unavoidable. The people of Greece have been told that the privatization of their public sector is the only solution. And those of Italy, Spain and Portugal are facing the same threat.

They should look to Iceland. Refusing to bow to foreign interests, that small country stated loud and clear that the people are sovereign.

That’s why it is not in the news anymore.

[Lye_Form]

It would be easier just to vote the monster raving loony party into government

[herbs]

Can't I'm watching Eastenders.

[Mr Hyde]

A civil war where the kings head gets cut off doesn't count as a revolution?!

[esfandyar]

not trying to change continents here but brazil is cracking off now..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/ ... 5S20130618

As many as 200,000 demonstrators marched through the streets of Brazil's biggest cities on Monday in a swelling wave of protest tapping into widespread anger at poor public services, police violence and government corruption.

The marches, organized mostly through snowballing social media campaigns, blocked streets and halted traffic in more than a half-dozen cities, including Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Belo Horizonte and Brasilia, where demonstrators climbed onto the roof of Brazil's Congress building and then stormed it.

Monday's demonstrations were the latest in a flurry of protests in the past two weeks that have added to growing unease over Brazil's sluggish economy, high inflation and a spurt in violent crime.

While most of the protests unfolded as a festive display of dissent, some demonstrators in Rio threw rocks at police, set fire to a parked car and vandalized the state assembly building. Vandals also destroyed property in the southern city of Porto Alegre.

Around the country, protesters waved Brazilian flags, dancing and chanting slogans such as "The people have awakened" and "Pardon the inconvenience, Brazil is changing."

The epicenter of Monday's march shifted from Sao Paulo, where some 65,000 people took to the streets late in the afternoon, to Rio. There, as protesters gathered throughout the evening, crowds ballooned to 100,000 people, local police said. At least 20,000 more gathered in Belo Horizonte.

The demonstrations are the first time that Brazilians, since a recent decade of steady economic growth, are collectively questioning the status quo.

BIG EVENTS LOOM

The protests have gathered pace as Brazil is hosting the Confederation's Cup, a dry run for next year's World Cup soccer championship. The government hopes these events, along with the 2016 Summer Olympics, will showcase Brazil as an emerging power on the global stage.

Brazil also is gearing up to welcome more than 2 million visitors in July as Pope Francis makes his first foreign trip for a gathering of Catholic youth in Rio.

Contrasting the billions in taxpayer money spent on new stadiums with the shoddy state of Brazil's public services, protesters are using the Confederation's Cup as a counterpoint to amplify their concerns. The tournament got off to shaky start this weekend when police clashed with demonstrators outside stadiums at the opening matches in Brasilia and Rio.

"For many years the government has been feeding corruption. People are demonstrating against the system," said Graciela Caçador, a 28-year-old saleswoman protesting in Sao Paulo. "They spent billions of dollars building stadiums and nothing on education and health."

More protests are being organized for the coming days. It is unclear what specific response from authorities - such as a reduction in the hike of transport fares - would lead the loose collection of organizers across Brazil to consider stopping them.

For President Dilma Rousseff, the demonstrations come at a delicate time, as price increases and lackluster growth begin to loom over an expected run for re-election next year.

Polls show Rousseff still is widely popular, especially among poor and working-class voters, but her approval ratings began to slip in recent weeks for the first time since taking office in 2011. Rousseff was booed at Saturday's Confederations Cup opener as protesters gathered outside.

Through a spokeswoman, Rousseff called the protests "legitimate" and said peaceful demonstrations are "part of democracy." The president, a leftist guerrilla as a young woman, also said that it was "befitting of youth to protest."

WIDE ARRAY OF GRIEVANCES

Some were baffled by the protests in a country where unemployment remains near record lows, even after more than two years of tepid economic growth.

"What are they going to do - march every day?" asked Cristina, a 43-year-old cashier, who declined to give her surname, peeking out at the demonstration from behind the curtain of a closed Sao Paulo butcher shop. She said corruption and other age-old ills in Brazil are unlikely to change soon.

The marches began this month with an isolated protest in Sao Paulo against a small increase in bus and subway fares. The demonstrations initially drew the scorn of many middle-class Brazilians after protesters vandalized storefronts, subway stations and buses on one of the city's main avenues.

The movement quickly gained support and spread to other cities as police used heavy-handed tactics to quell the demonstrations. The biggest crackdown happened on Thursday in Sao Paulo when police fired rubber bullets and tear gas in clashes that injured more than 100 people, including 15 journalists, some of whom said they were deliberately targeted.

Other common grievances at Monday's marches included corruption and the inadequate and overcrowded public transportation networks that Brazilians cope with daily.

POLICE SHOW RESTRAINT

The harsh police reaction to last week's protests touched a nerve in Brazil, which endured two decades of political repression under a military dictatorship that ended in 1985. It also added to doubts about whether Brazil's police forces would be ready for next year's World Cup.

The uproar following last week's crackdown prompted Sao Paulo state Governor Geraldo Alckmin, who first described the protesters as "troublemakers" and "vandals," to order police to allow Monday's march to proceed and not to use rubber bullets.

The protests are shaping up as a major political challenge for Alckmin, a former presidential candidate, and Sao Paulo's new mayor, Fernando Haddad, a rising star in the left-leaning Workers' Party that has governed Brazil for the past decade. Haddad invited protest leaders to meet Tuesday morning, but has so far balked at talk of a bus fare reduction.

The resonance of the demonstrations underscores what economists say will be a challenge for Rousseff and other Brazilian leaders in the years ahead: providing public services to meet the demands of the growing middle class.

"Voters are likely to be increasingly disgruntled on a range of public services in a lower growth environment," Christopher Garman, a political analyst at the Eurasia Group, wrote in a report.

some riot porn from the protests. no withdrawals today!

[cloquet]

trademark brazilian flair

[particle-jim]

trademark brazilian flair

Fucking badman!

[Forum]

I dread to think who/what we would install as leader if we were to revolt successfully. Probably the fucking leader of the EDL or something. 90% of government spending would go on "protecting the kiddies from the paedos".

[test_recordings]

In all likelihood change will be incremental, though we are practically having one now with increasing participation through the internet. Those 38 Degrees petitions actually work, it really pisses off politicians having to face the truth that they can't just make up stuff as they please. There is actually still a significant amount people can do to influence politics but most don't bother for various reasons. It doesn't help with shit stirrers like the Hate Mail misleading everyone.

Big up Iceland though!

[Phigure]

maybe its cause england is so small geographically and so inbred

no one wants to revolt against their brother, uncle, mother, etc

[esfandyar]

seen

[alphacat]

maybe its cause england is so small geographically and so inbred

no one wants to revolt against their brother, uncle, mother, etc

OH NO YOU DI'NT! (cockney triple snap)

[cue Limey backlash in 3, 2, 1...]