DJ/Rupture on Grime / Dubstep

[dub_warrior]

they are both different styles
the thing with dubstep is that u need a very heavy baseline/ a wobble base.
with grime u dont really need to have a certain sound.
listen to
wiley
terrah danja
davince
rapid
all very different sounds

[b-lam]

the thing with dubstep is that u need a very heavy baseline/ a wobble base.

naaah u dont, see burial, kode 9 etc sure some bass has to be there but it doesnt need to be THE major part...

[reptilian]

What exactly is Rupture trying to say? I mean, Earth a Run Red should have its sample replaced with a live studio recording of someone going on about telephone boxes, mushy peas and crisp packets? Quick everyone! "the disembodied black voice" is being pillaged and abused by the evil aryan dubstep hordes...argghhh

[benjybars]

best thread for AGES

[c60 {dubcamp}]

Great thread

[elemental]

Interesting points !

I generally avoid using 'obvious' samples - but sometimes something blatant in a new context can just work... also, certain well-used samples have memories attached to them, as soon as you hear them they conjure up feelings and images from raves gone by, old radio shows etc.

Used creatively the memory effect can combine with the new context to grab the listener.. but just slapping a rinsed out sample in a tune for the sake of credibility is a bit lame.

[billy blanks]

the use of a sample (to my mind), roots or otherwise, is as much, if not more about its aesthetic and intonation in the context of the rest of the track, as it is about the actual words being used and from where they have been sourced.

of course intentional and appropriate use of the meaning of word samples highlights qualities of the producer, but for me, a great deal can also be achieved through the interaction of purely the sound of the sample with the sound and ethos of the track.

thats why, personally, in principle i have no issue with the use of even the more bait vocal samples, as long as there isnt the 'laziness' of intentions that was alluded to earlier. imo the reason why burial should always get ridiculous quantities of props is because he manages to accomplish both things; vocal samples which are both scarily appropriate in their meaning and aesthetic. wat a hero. i've heard burial is kode 9...kordial

[cody]

I still believe there is massive potential for sampled vocals, if executed sensitively and creatively… it would be to reject garage’s heritage to argue otherwise… see stone cold, dem2, todd edwards, all of those sick el-b remixes.

i think your post really nailed this topic for me. samples reappropriated in a new context or with a new method can definately enhance a track. the example of todd edwards is bang on. vocals used almost as instruments rather than a sound i there own right.

imo a dread sample can work providing its not too cliched/over used. the sample used for the intro of punisher (pinch origional- mu) is effective because i beleive it enhances the track by setting mood/creating atmosphere/tension before the drop.

there is a definately a place for vocals in dubstep for me. but i think it is more to do with an issue of quality control rather than saying point blank only origional vocals should be used. i agree with what most people are saying in that a dancehall/reggae sample should definatly not be chucked into the track to give a psudo-old dub feel. but a well appropriated one can work. with so much vocal music in the wrld, there is no excuse for lazy sampling. just like finding new instruments/ beat patterns producers should look far and wide for fresh vocals

for me the udeground garage heads really smacked it with thier use of samples - el b passage of time- because they work musically as well as contextually.

[sand leaper]

What exactly is Rupture trying to say? I mean, Earth a Run Red should have its sample replaced with a live studio recording of someone going on about telephone boxes, mushy peas and crisp packets? Quick everyone! "the disembodied black voice" is being pillaged and abused by the evil aryan dubstep hordes...argghhh

No disrespect to Rupture, but the whole "fake dub"-argument against sampling comes across as very elitist. Who is he to say whether someone sampling jamaican influences is any more or less "real" than someone who roped in a random rasta artist chatting about the same old cliches?

[b-lam]

I still believe there is massive potential for sampled vocals, if executed sensitively and creatively… it would be to reject garage’s heritage to argue otherwise… see stone cold, dem2, todd edwards, all of those sick el-b remixes.

i think your post really nailed this topic for me. samples reappropriated in a new context or with a new method can definately enhance a track. the example of todd edwards is bang on. vocals used almost as instruments rather than a sound i there own right.


for me the undeground garage heads really smacked it with thier use of samples - el b passage of time- because they work musically as well as contextually.

well put.

i believe quite strongly that music should be judged irrespective of context. it's something that speaks to the soul for me, and for this reason i'm not a fan of music that speaks too much to the intellect. the joy of sampling for me is that anything can be used in any context and transformed into anything, and should be treated purely in terms of aesthetics.

I think the only grey area is with the use of vocals, and the preservation of lyrical content and context. but dubstep has never been about lyrics, it's been about sound.

so rupture doesn't enjoy music that samples vocals and pays no attention to lyrics or context? then i cant see why he would want to drop Krumble's 'backward country boy explosion' in 'low income tomorrowland'...full of 'lazy' sampling...

[_cheef_]

^^^ good point, I'll have to remember that.

[chekov]

excellent bump, thanks viediatt

[chekov]

why this thread

[_cheef_]