Stereo-izing Sub Bass? Is it legal?

Gribble · Post by **Gribble** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:25 am

SunkLo wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:
Gribble wrote:"Brothulhuuuuuu the big dj"
Not once did I claim to be a "big dj". I'm not famous, I know my tracks could be a lot better and that's why I'm here on DSF; to learn and improve

legend4ry wrote:
Go back to 4chan and get off Reddit
He doesn't know what 4chan is according to the Waves Sale thread, back to 9GAG I think
Hahah SO 9GAG! Nail on head.

So, checked what these sites are - forums of funny pictures. And youre a professional producer are you bro? sure, great way to spend ya time

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:28 am

Gribble wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
Gribble wrote:
legend4ry wrote:Would you like the dry stem
What... all 3 of them? Lol!

Dont take it personally bro its just not to my taste. Wheres the melodies at? Wheres the twisted sound design?
Well, the pad is 3 instances of FM8, all running through an internal grain sampler in Reaktor (with a few other effects..) using FL's Patcher - that's pretty twisted to me? I can explain it to you, as I guess you got lost at grain sampler.

The rhythmic quality of the percussion cited for little traditional melody - while the first "drop" is a little repetitive, it is intended to be blended till the breakdown, where you'd bring in the bouncier 2nd - which I generally use it to go 4x4 in my sets.

Its called progression and a term called tension. Something a lot of modern "dubstep" doesn't have. While not perfect music - it is a track I am proud of and have received mostly positive responses from. Your comment just sounds bitter and not very constructive. 'bro'

It is also very disrespectful to out someone's music in the general view of everyone in a place where they have been indefinitely helpful and helped build a good community - Even though I have stopped being around as much because of the rush of children coming here.. Well at least with a childish mentality.

Go back to 4chan and get off Reddit - you're spoiling that too.
What? i'm not on reddit.

yeah i get what youre doing with your tune, i'm just saying.... its not a hard to mix type of track. try mixing drum and bass at 175 bpm with lots of layered drums and vocals and pads and basses, see my point? some types of music are easier to mix imo.

and yeah i do know what a grain sampler is - a granular synth or processor? i'm guessing you load samples and break them up into granules, like on alchemy? im not an idiot, i'm just not going to put up with bullshit snide comments from a tight knit bunch of elitist pricks. several people have had a pop at me since i registered, and i've told them all to fuck off.

I've made big upfront dnb before - its not any harder to mix.

Mixing all comes from individually getting your sounds to a frequency and gain structure where they all fit together perfectly while throwing on your own sound and quirks of course. Like ive said I am not great at anything but have been doing it long enough to know how.

I'm not having a pop at you but airing your personal grudges against people on a forum ain't going to make it a nice place to come is it? Its going to make EVERYONE have a negative attitude towards you..

Send them horrible PMs.

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:30 am

I mean...I was having a pretty fair time chatting about mono channels in mixes... : (

Gribble · Post by **Gribble** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:32 am

legend4ry wrote:I've made big upfront dnb before - its not any harder to mix.

Mixing all comes from individually getting your sounds to a frequency and gain structure where they all fit together perfectly while throwing on your own sound and quirks of course. Like ive said I am not great at anything but have been doing it long enough to know how.

I'm not having a pop at you but airing your personal grudges against people on a forum ain't going to make it a nice place to come is it? Its going to make EVERYONE have a negative attitude towards you..

Send them horrible PMs.

Im not going to do that. I just think there are a lot of idiots here, never found a forum like it.

we will have to agree to disagree with regard to mixing - i still think some things are easier to mix.

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:34 am

They're definitely easier to put into a space. Sound originates primarily from a single source in the physical world, so it's more effective to pan a mono track and let the stereo speakers and head transfer function work their magic. Having stereo material being panned just ends up sounding a bit confusing and unclear.

Lot of dudes love working on all mono or LCR mixes either permanently, or as a prelude to the final mix to get the levels and EQ down. Something that sounds good in mono will sound boss everywhere else.

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:36 am

Gribble wrote:I just think there are a lot of idiots here, never found a forum like it.

Why don't you go ahead and fuck off then? You're over here pissing on our pizza party and then complaining that the pizza tastes like shit. Just GTFO back to whatever cave you crawled out of and we'll all be happier.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:37 am

Dat feel when you build a beautiful pad and forget to mono the track before hand and then it loses all its character when you convert.

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:41 am

SunkLo wrote:They're definitely easier to put into a space. Sound originates primarily from a single source in the physical world, so it's more effective to pan a mono track and let the stereo speakers and head transfer function work their magic. Having stereo material being panned just ends up sounding a bit confusing and unclear.

Lot of dudes love working on all mono or LCR mixes either permanently, or as a prelude to the final mix to get the levels and EQ down. Something that sounds good in mono will sound boss everywhere else.

head transfer function = I need to look shit up : )

But yea...I've come to realize lately that panning stereo stuff is redundant over processing that seems to muddy things up. I get that in the digital world you can have infinite options, but having worked with a lot of mono lately...why is so much shit stereo by default? It simply doesn't sound as good!

Relatedly...it's been hacking me off that Maschine....FL Studio....forces your audio outputs (if you are sending audio out of your interface) into stereo pairs with no option for mone...how much code does it take to let users have mono tracks? I'm always hard panning shit to trick my software into giving me mono outputs...

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:49 am

fragments wrote: Relatedly...it's been hacking me off that Maschine....FL Studio....forces your audio outputs (if you are sending audio out of your interface) into stereo pairs with no option for mone...how much code does it take to let users have mono tracks? I'm always hard panning shit to trick my software into giving me mono outputs...

That really annoys me too

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I have been trying to find a way to code a audio driver which loads an external interface which allows you to split and direct your output channels but its being being troublesome (a good learning experience though!).

You could achieve it with VAC - but that costs extra money.

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:51 am

legend4ry wrote:
fragments wrote: Relatedly...it's been hacking me off that Maschine....FL Studio....forces your audio outputs (if you are sending audio out of your interface) into stereo pairs with no option for mone...how much code does it take to let users have mono tracks? I'm always hard panning shit to trick my software into giving me mono outputs...
That really annoys me too .

I have been trying to find a way to code a audio driver which loads an external interface which allows you to split and direct your output channels but its being being troublesome (a good learning experience though!).

You could achieve it with VAC - but that costs extra money.

Well I'd be VERY interested in that audio driver if you ever get it working. Googling VAC now...

...good convos going on here tonight despite the er..stormy weather...

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:52 am

fragments wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
fragments wrote: Relatedly...it's been hacking me off that Maschine....FL Studio....forces your audio outputs (if you are sending audio out of your interface) into stereo pairs with no option for mone...how much code does it take to let users have mono tracks? I'm always hard panning shit to trick my software into giving me mono outputs...
That really annoys me too .

I have been trying to find a way to code a audio driver which loads an external interface which allows you to split and direct your output channels but its being being troublesome (a good learning experience though!).

You could achieve it with VAC - but that costs extra money.
Well I'd be VERY interested in that audio driver if you ever get it working. Googling VAC now...

...good convos going on here tonight despite the er..stormy weather...

http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:56 am

legend4ry wrote:
fragments wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
fragments wrote: Relatedly...it's been hacking me off that Maschine....FL Studio....forces your audio outputs (if you are sending audio out of your interface) into stereo pairs with no option for mone...how much code does it take to let users have mono tracks? I'm always hard panning shit to trick my software into giving me mono outputs...
That really annoys me too .

I have been trying to find a way to code a audio driver which loads an external interface which allows you to split and direct your output channels but its being being troublesome (a good learning experience though!).

You could achieve it with VAC - but that costs extra money.
Well I'd be VERY interested in that audio driver if you ever get it working. Googling VAC now...

...good convos going on here tonight despite the er..stormy weather...
http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:59 am

I seem to remember there being free software that was very similar. No clue what it was but worth a look around. You can always just run a mono-izing plugin on the end of your daw tracks and then just take one channel for your hardware.

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:04 am

SunkLo wrote:I seem to remember there being free software that was very similar. No clue what it was but worth a look around. You can always just run a mono-izing plugin on the end of your daw tracks and then just take one channel for your hardware.

I get the mono-ize plugin part. What do you mean when you say "take one channel for your hardware"?

Basically I'm running channels out of my DAW or Maschine standalone into a hardware mixer and sending the master to DAT.

Thanks for the info.

...really the hard panning to turn a stereo pair into two mono channels isn't that big of a deal...I just can't wrap my mind around why these companies simply can't include these options...seems like nothing to add it to the software. Then again, doubt many FL Studio users are running audio out of their DAW...

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:10 am

Well like mono-ize the stereo track and then just send the left channel out to hardware to be mixed.

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:14 am

SunkLo wrote:Well like mono-ize the stereo track and then just send the left channel out to hardware to be mixed.

Haha. OK. I thought you were on something more complicated than that for whatever reason. But yea, that is basically what I'm doing. Thanks man : ) Always willing to be helpful!

...had a six pack and a bowl at this point...so you know...my reading comprehension skills are sub par

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:18 am

Haha I feel you

Gewze · Post by **Gewze** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:35 pm

<3 much love to you all, im going to try mixing my shit mono and see what happens

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:57 pm

Gewze wrote:<3 much love to you all, im going to try mixing my shit mono and see what happens

Yea. I mean...I just happened to stumble upon this whole mixing with mono sources things because I was working within gear limitations OTB...but honestly I like it so much I'm going to bring it with me when working ITB as well.

djrq · Post by **djrq** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:29 am

Outside of cutting to vinyl* you do not HAVE to have sub bass mono, but in terms of keeping the headroom down and for the sake of tidiness down there, I always keep it mono.
I think you can get more punch out of it too.

if i'm in any doubt, i slap dfx monomaker on the channel.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dfx_mon ... electronix

*
http://www.emusician.com/techniques/076 ... nyl/134677

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